Exurge, Calvinisti, et judica causam tuam...

drstevej (Pope Piel I)

[drstevej]

Exurge, Calvinisti, et judica causam tuam...

Arise (some mss read Swarm), O Calvinists, and plead your cause. The doctrines of grace are mightily assailed by those who would proclaim with their father, “I will be like the Most High.” Set forth the biblical case for a sovereign God who is jealous for His glory. Disallow through disputation (and lampooning when needed) the damnable errors of those who have refashioned the great sola doctrines into a salvation-helper gospel that exalts the fallen will of man.

From every corner, in every thread exalt the right of God to do whatsoever He pleaseth. Be not dismayed by persistent anthropocentric rantings. Blessed are you when they revile you for the sake of the truth. Happy are ye when the Servetus card is played and the strawmen are paraded before you for He who is enthroned in heaven reigns.

– Pope Piel I, Thread Pope

[fishtank]

Please put me on the list.

[CCWoody]

"I do not serve the god of the Arminians at all; I have nothing to do with him, and I do not bow down before the Baal they have set up; he is not my God, nor shall he ever be; I fear him not, nor tremble at his presence...The God that saith today and denieth tomorrow, that justifieth today and condemns the next...is no relation to my God in the least degree. He may be a relation of Ashtaroth or Baal, but Jehovah never was or can be his name." ~ C.H. Spurgeon

[Gamecock]

Your fishiness, allow me!

Fishtank, you are required by papal decree to provide your favorite Calvinist quote. Once you do so, I am sure OP or the pope will grant you access.....

It's for the minutes.....

BTW, you are a Calvinist, right?

[fishtank]

Oops. Forgot a quote. I hope Ephesians 1 is sufficient, as is the grace of God.


Ephesians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

[Gamecock]

It gives me great pleasure to recommend fishtank.

Great quote and he is a member of the FR Meteorological Society

[fishtank]

See below.

I'm a Calvinist, though not a Presby.

[Gamecock]

That is fine! It is only required that you are a flavor of Calvinism....

[fishtank]

Eph 1 is probably the foundational expositional passage on God's sovereignty. How could anyone read that passage and still be Arminian?

(It's also the first passage I _ever_ studied in a real Bible study.)

[fishtank]

http://www.jmarkbertrand.com/

Interesting blog by a Calvinist. Nothing pertaining to FR, but lots of good essays.

[CCWoody]

TU.8UI.6P.9 ~ xzins

Some try to split the difference between Armininism and Calvinism. They say something like, "I want to be 75% Calvinist and 25% Arminian." If they mean that literally, then they are 100% Arminian since giving any determinative place to human will is Arminian.

Woody.

[Gamecock]

I have yet to hear a Bible Based answer.

It is always "except for the fact that God gives us free will." or "God exists outside of time and knew we would choose him first and choose us based on our choosing him."

Pure nonsense

[xzins]

Love those short posts.

I was giving a tracking mechanism for those following my progress/demise (as the case may be)

I'd think folks would be glad to see someone move from U.5 to U.8 :>)

[Hermann the Cherusker]

It seems are swarming brothers and sisters are using Latin (see headline) and setting up a heirarchy with a pope and everything, it all seems so....Catholic

Funny isn't it? Almost as funny as their inability to spell exSurge and dominE correctly.

[CCWoody]

I'd think folks would be glad to see someone move from U.5 to U.8 :>) ~ xzins

U.5, U.8, U.999999, and it is still all the same. God can walk 999,999 steps toward man, but if man walks the last step, he is the effectual cause of his Salvation.

For every single Calvinist, there was that moment, that day, when the light really did come on. For, the switch is either on or it is off. There is no such thing as theological dimmer switch.

There is no such thing as semi-Augustinianism. There is only semi-Pelagianism for those too cowardly to admit that man really is alive, fully able to help himself to a generous portion of salvation.

Man was not born disabled. Mas was morally & spiritually stillborn.

Spiritually & morally stillborn!

God, in His gracious mercy, doesn't just spank the baby on the butt. He performs emergency heart surgery.

Woody.

[xzins]

Guess not, huh?

[drstevej]

Still awaiting your quotation to add you to the list.

[drstevej]

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[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Of course, the Presbys have us beat on this matter of hymns as I recall it...

Contrary to popular opinion, we do indeed have a few happy, light-hearted ditties amongst our sour dirges. I'll try to post the lyrics to one of my favorites later tonight...

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I keep reading Acts 10, and I keep failing to find in the unregenerate Cornelius, "a religious man, and fearing God with all his house, giving much alms to the people and always praying to God", a hatred of God. He was certainly still filled with such errors and misconceptions that "when Peter was come in, Cornelius came to meet him and falling at his feet adored." Yet scripture plainly calls him "a just man and one that feareth God." Worse for your case, God told Cornelius He was going to give Him the Holy Spirit because "thy prayer is heard and thy alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God." Where are those "filthy rags" that avail us nothing here? Sorry OP. You'll never win this point because you are WRONG.

Where in Acts 10 do you find this idea that Cornelius was unregenerate? There's nothing in the chapter which suggests such an idea. Oh, right... you have to believe that Cornelius was unregenerate, because you believe in Baptismal Regeneration, and Cornelius was not yet baptized.

Well, that just goes to show how Romish Error can interfere with your personal understanding of perspicuous Scripture. There is no more evidence in Acts 10 that Cornelius was unregenerate than there is evidence that Noah or Abraham or Moses or Jonah's Repentant Ninevities were unregenerate, or for that matter the Believing Jews and Gentiles who died during Christ's earthly ministry but prior to His crucifixion and resurrection.

Now, it is true that, the Promised Messiah having come, it was fitting that those who had Faith in the Promises of God should be informed of the fulfillment of God's Promise; and God used Cornelius as a demonstration of the fact that this Good News should proceed also to the Gentiles; but the notion that Cornelius, whom Scripture calls a "devout" and "God-fearing" man in Acts 10:2, was Hell-bound prior to receiving the information that the God in whom he already trusted had indeed fulfilled His messianic promises... frankly, that's just silly. But that's where Romish error will take you.

One cannot be both regenerated and unregenerated at the same time.

Well, you've got that much right. That's an important point for you to comprehend. And that is something upon which I can build.

Now when you realize that the Old Testament Saints were regenerated prior to Baptism, you'll likewise realize that Cornelius was regenerated prior to Baptism, and the next thing you know, you'll realize that Baptismal Regeneration is a Biblically-unsound notion, and pretty soon... why, you're making progress, Hermann!! We'll make a Bible-believing Protestant of you yet.

No sensible Christian has any reason to hold a strange new doctrine not ever heard of until 1500 years after Christ rose from the dead.

Precisely correct, which is why we reject the AD 1564 Council of Trent. And given that you correctly say, "One cannot be both regenerated and unregenerated at the same time", it is my fond hope that, by God's grace, you will too.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

I believe grace is necessary for the free will to act to the supernatural good.

This is correct. It is precisely Regenerating Grace which is necessary for a man to act to the spiritual good.

Once a man has been monergistically Regenerated, he will then use his ability to act to the spiritual good.

You said it right there in what I quoted above. "In fact, his Free Will is not even consulted. God gives Life as He chooses."

You're actually objecting to that quotation?

Check it, Herm...

For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. (Jesus Christ, as quoted in John 5:21)

I think that's a fairly good authority for my quotation.