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Mark Steyn: Blunkett's ban will fan the flames
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 07/13/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/12/2004 4:10:20 PM PDT by Pokey78

A couple of years back, I mentioned the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and received a flurry of lively e-mails. It was Valentine's Day 1989, you'll recall, when the Ayatollah Khomeini issued his extraterritorial summary judgment on a British subject, and shortly thereafter large numbers of British Muslims were marching through English cities openly calling for Rushdie to be killed.

A reader in Bradford recalled asking a West Yorkshire officer on the street that day why the various "Muslim community leaders" weren't being arrested for incitement to murder. The officer said they'd been told to "play it cool". The calls for blood got more raucous. My correspondent asked his question again. The policeman told him to "F--- off, or I'll arrest you."

Isn't that pretty much how it's likely to go once David Blunkett's new protection for Islam is in place? If you're the "moderate" Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, you'll be invited to speak at the "Our Children Our Future" conference sponsored and funded by the Metropolitan Police and the Department for Work and Pensions. But, if you express concern about ol' Mullah Moderate, an Islamic lobby group will file an official complaint about you.

Indeed, after Sir John Stevens, Met commissioner and event co-sponsor, said he didn't want his officers on the same stage as the imam, the Muslim Association of Britain filed an official complaint about his comments. By the time you read this, Sir John might have already called for himself to be investigated by a Royal Commission and found guilty of systemic Islamophobia.

As for "Our Children Our Future", when it comes to children, the imam certainly has the future all mapped out: as he has said, "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb and these human bombs must continue until liberation." Thank heaven for little girls, they blow up in the most delightful way.

If an Anglican Bishop were to commend a career as a suicide bomber to his Sunday school charges, you'd certainly hope to be free to question his judgment on the matter. Not that Anglican bishops ever say such things, of course. They're lost in anguished debate on whether they should just have celibate gay deans in long-term relationships or go for full-blown robustly active gay bishops, and all the thanks they get for their painful efforts to keep up with the times is wholesale public mockery of Christianity up and down the land - i.e. my old friend Alistair Beaton's satirical Iraq-war song, We're Sending You a Cluster Bomb From Jesus.

Meanwhile, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the Western world, but Blunkett wants us to pretend that it's a wee delicate bloom which has to be sheltered from anything unpleasant. The other week, the governor of one of those Nigerian states that now lives under sharia called for the burning of all Christian churches within his jurisdiction. Every Friday, on state TV and radio throughout the Arab world and in mosques somewhat closer to home, the A-list imams call for the killing of Jews and infidels. Well, good luck to them. But, if they can dish it out so enthusiastically, couldn't they learn to take it just an eensy-teensy-weensy bit?

One of the reasons Arab nations are in the state they're in is because of the inability to discuss Islam honestly. I was in Amman for the Jordanian election last year and one of the things you notice is that, although the city does a reasonable impression of a modern dynamic capital and its press is, by the standards of the region, free-ish, its stunted political culture is subordinate to its religious culture. That's why, for example, Article 340 of the Jordanian Penal Code - which effectively licenses "honour killings" - always gets renewed when it comes up in parliament.

That's another reason the British Government should not be in the business of helping coercive lobby groups further stifle debate. Islam raises political questions that Judaism or Buddhism don't - the suggestion, for example, that Muslim women should be exempt from the requirement to be photographed on national identity cards. Without Blunkett's law, there'll be the odd crusty type from the shires huffing on BBC phone-ins that if Muslim women think it's insulting to be made to remove their hejab for ID cards, they should bloody well have thought about that before moving to Britain.

With Blunkett's law, we'll discuss such questions, if at all, between tightly imposed government constraints explicitly favouring one party to the dispute. I know which one of those options any self-respecting liberal democracy ought to prefer.

In The River War (1899), Winston Churchill's account of the Sudanese campaign, there's a memorable passage which I reproduce here while I'm still able to:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Is that grossly offensive to Muslims? Almost certainly. Is it also a rather shrewd and pertinent analysis by one of Britain's most eminent leaders? I think so. If Blunkett bans the sentiments in that first sentence, the sentiments of the last will prove even more pertinent.


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To: Congressman Billybob

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."


21 posted on 07/12/2004 6:17:38 PM PDT by pushforbush ("How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy,)
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To: Dog Gone

Since Steyn is a Jew, I suppose no fatwa is needed, given he is already covered by the daily calls for extermination of the Jews coming from the muslim world.


22 posted on 07/12/2004 6:19:52 PM PDT by thucydides
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To: Pokey78
Churchill: "Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog..."

Seems I'm not the first one to have made the comparison between the Islamic mind and the mind of a rabid dog. (Hydrophobia = Rabies, in the modern parlance) Sir Winston made the realization 100 years before me. Go figure.

23 posted on 07/12/2004 6:34:49 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Party Before Country" - The New Motto of the Democratic Party)
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To: Pokey78

Whenever I read some story about some stupid liberal law like the one steyn is referencing I become more and more convinced that under every leftist is a self loathing idiot on a suicide mission.


24 posted on 07/12/2004 6:40:53 PM PDT by Prysson
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To: thucydides
Since Steyn is a Jew, I suppose no fatwa is needed, given he is already covered by the daily calls for extermination of the Jews coming from the muslim world.

We are all Jews now.

25 posted on 07/12/2004 6:47:48 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: mykdsmom
It never ceases to amaze me how the liberals support Islam without question. It is by far the least tolerant of any religion.

This is a serious question and an important one. I'd suggest you listen closely to what leftists say about terrorism and its causes...

The Left views Islamism as primarily a Leftist, anti-colonial movement merely cloaked in religious rhetoric. They see the Islamists as potential allies - in the same vein as Che or Ho Chi Minh.

How they come to this conclusion is astounding. While previous "anti-colonial" movements invariable at least gave lip service to the political views of the Western Left, Islam and Islamism do no such thing.

Listen to Osama and co and they want to drag the world back to the 10th century and give its people the choice of the Koran or the sword. Leftists hear this and find the real cause of Islamist terror to be income inequality, poverty, or Christianity, and then conjecture their real goals to be egalitarianism, religious pluralism, environmentalism, or "social justice". Which just goes to show that in the Leftist mind reality loses to comforting fiction every time...

And let us be clear - Islamists hates Western Leftism even more then American conservatism. In their dream future, we Christians and conservatives will face dhimmitude - slavery - while homosexuals, atheists, avante guard "artists", and the rest will face stoning, beheading, and even worse.
26 posted on 07/12/2004 6:52:45 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France. -Duke Wellington)
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To: mykdsmom

The liberals hope to use Islam as a cudgel against Christians while at the same time using its influence as the excuse in which they take despotic power over us in America.

They hope to be able to control and spin the Muslim onslaught as a dynamic force with which they keep the electorate in line.


27 posted on 07/12/2004 6:56:39 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: Pokey78
Steyn somehow found the only way possible to improve on his own magnificent writing: by quoting Winston Churchill.

What a pleasure to read!

28 posted on 07/12/2004 7:23:37 PM PDT by irv
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
We are all Jews now.

You said it, brother.

29 posted on 07/12/2004 7:58:24 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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To: Pokey78
The issue is immigration, not Blunkett's law. Law or no law, mass Muslim immigration will destroy Britain, and scratchings on pieces of paper won't make the least bit of difference.
30 posted on 07/12/2004 8:08:09 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for ANOTHER unexcerpted ping, Pokey!

Without Blunkett's law, there'll be the odd crusty type from the shires huffing on BBC phone-ins that if Muslim women think it's insulting to be made to remove their hejab for ID cards, they should bloody well have thought about that before moving to Britain.


OK, enough with this silliness, but it's the first thing that popped into my head....

From my profile page:
From Mark Steyn:

The other day, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad told Lisbon’s Publica magazine that a group of London Islamists are ‘ready to launch a big operation’ on British soil.

‘We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents,’ he said, clarifying the ground rules. ‘Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value.’

The cleric added he expected to see the banner of Islam flying in Downing Street. ‘I believe one day that is going to happen. Because this is my country, I like living here,’ he said. ‘If they believe in democracy, who are they afraid of? Let Omar Bakri benefit from democracy!’

Any questions?


31 posted on 07/13/2004 12:14:22 AM PDT by Watery Tart ("I'd rather have my husband alive than that money." Teresa Kerry-Heinz)
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To: Pokey78

bttt


32 posted on 07/13/2004 3:11:15 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Pokey78
I am shocked his articles aren't banned yet in Canada and the UK.

Anyone want to guess on that date?

33 posted on 07/13/2004 3:15:56 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: Pokey78

So wise for one so young.

34 posted on 07/13/2004 3:17:10 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: metesky

Amazing that at the time, he was considered a liberal!!


35 posted on 07/13/2004 5:09:37 AM PDT by AngloSaxon (successful)
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To: Pokey78
As for "Our Children Our Future", when it comes to children, the imam certainly has the future all mapped out: as he has said, "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb and these human bombs must continue until liberation."

A clearer statement of Islamofascist intentions I have not seen. Thanks Pokey.
36 posted on 07/13/2004 5:20:19 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: AngloSaxon
Amazing that at the time, he was considered a liberal!!

Actually at the time Churchill was a Tory. He switched to the Liberal Party after entering Parliament a few years later, then switched back in (I think) the early 1920s. When asked what conclusions people should draw from the fact that he had switched paties twice Churchill said:

Anyone can rat. To rat and then re-rat takes talent.

37 posted on 07/13/2004 5:25:04 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pokey78
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."


Words even truer today.
38 posted on 07/13/2004 5:25:14 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: ConservativeConvert

Winston Churchill...... he stated so just above the quote.


39 posted on 07/13/2004 5:26:31 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: thucydides

Uh.... Mark Steyn is not Jewish.


40 posted on 07/13/2004 5:29:24 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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