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1 posted on
05/23/2003 1:03:12 PM PDT by
Frapster
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To: Frapster
From what I gather its on the gross not take home pay. So if I make 1000 a week but only take home 600 my church would want 100 a week if they are asking for 10 %.
2 posted on
05/23/2003 1:06:07 PM PDT by
alisasny
To: Frapster
We do the net.
Or just do it this way, take all your cash on a Sunday morning, throw it up in the air and God will take what he wants ;-).
3 posted on
05/23/2003 1:06:33 PM PDT by
netmilsmom
(God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
To: Frapster
Well if you tithing to the Aaronic priesthood, you should probably tithe your gross. If not, give what the Lord puts on your heart. It may end up being 25% of your gross. cheers
4 posted on
05/23/2003 1:07:11 PM PDT by
week 71
To: Frapster
I believe the church expects you to tithe on the gross. I don't.
To: Frapster
After overhead, I don't even have a 10% margin. If I gave 10% of gross to Church, I would have a huge negative net.
To: Frapster
We tithe on gross. My feeling is 10% from the total, not 10% after this tax and after that tax and after another expense. Pretty soon the amount is no longer a tithe but an amount that is arbitrary.
To: Frapster
"And once again tithing is 10% off the top. That's gross income, not net. Please people, don't force us to audit. Now I'm going to pass this around a second time. Brother Ned, you'll do the honors."
9 posted on
05/23/2003 1:10:22 PM PDT by
circles
To: Frapster
Torah says that the tithe is to come from your increase.
For example, if you owned 20 head of cattle and G-d blessed you with 5 new head of cattle during the year, you would present either 1/2 of a cow or the equivalent value in money or other items of value and bring them to the temple. If He blessed you with 10 new head, you would either give one of them to the temple or the monetary equivalent.
But what some people don't know is that the tithe wasn't collected every year. It was collected for the temple every third year, other two years you were to save it up so you could afford to go to jerusalem and attend the 3 annual feasts which required temple attendance and have enough money to help the local levites and the poor in your area to go with you.
When Christians say that you must literally give 10% of your income every week to their ministry, they really oversimply what G-d's word says about tithe.
I would encourage you to do a word search in your bible and read EVERY verse and every chapter that have texts relating to tithe and learn it for yourself.
You have a duty to know for youself and not simply depend on the traditions of men to know what is right in G-d's eyes on these kind of matters.
15 posted on
05/23/2003 1:12:34 PM PDT by
Tamar1973
("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Jewish sage)
To: Frapster
Tithing is of the old testament law. It is not of new testament teachings. Under the new testament we are directed to give as we have been blessed. If you have been blessed a great deal then give a great deal. If you have been blessed to a lesser degree then you give in a like manner.
Tithing as is frequently taught today is much like those teachings that Paul confronted which demanded of the Christians that they be circumcised as the old testament taught.
Don't allow yourself to be pulled by the two testaments. Adhere to the new, if you are a Christian and rejoice in the freedom it gives you from the law of the old testament.
18 posted on
05/23/2003 1:13:15 PM PDT by
em2vn
To: Frapster
Personal opinion. Not sure what my church would say on this. Not sure exactly how the Bible would treat business gross income--hopefully my church and the Bible would agree.
Tithe on your personal gross, not on your personal net. This would be different that your business gross. Your personal gross is your business net.
19 posted on
05/23/2003 1:13:49 PM PDT by
B-bone
To: Frapster
"You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the LORD your God." Exodus 34:26 This would suggest bypassing paying anyone (including Uncle Sam) else first. And always remember, the Hebrew premise of a 10% tithe was considered only a starting point - a minimum.
Also keep in mind Mal 3 - it is the only place in scripture where God calls us to test him. He tells us if we bring the whole tithe (otherwise we rob God), He will throw open the windows of blessing upon you. And, He never lies.
To: Frapster; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
Good question and one I've considered for awhile. I heard a person in church saying one time that nowhere in the New Testament does it say that we are supposed to tithe, instead give what we choose to be a cheerful giver. Not saying I agree with it, just found the argument interesting, although now that I think on it, I can see it's an argument that
could be used by someone that doesn't want to give as much
Personally, I consider the net to be the answer, although I can see the gross being considered as well
23 posted on
05/23/2003 1:19:22 PM PDT by
billbears
(Deo Vindice)
To: Frapster
We are both committed Christians but we were debating whether it was correct to tithe on the gross or the net? Two pieces of advice:
1. Don't give out of legalism, but out of your heart to give.
2. Don't behave as though giving is a burden... it's not. It's an opportunity to share in God's work.
That being said, in this house we pay the church before we pay the government.
24 posted on
05/23/2003 1:19:28 PM PDT by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: Frapster
I think it's supposed to be gross. (I do net)
To: Frapster
"Tithe" is to be done on the "increase." And God deals with individuals, not businesses, so that money would still be your own increase. However, as a Christian, you should be dealing with God on a personal basis, not a legal basis. To me, that means you give God what He personally tells you to give.
To: Frapster
It is the Actual pay before taxes...
Your earthly god already took it's tithe, it's called with holding.
29 posted on
05/23/2003 1:22:47 PM PDT by
Zavien Doombringer
(If common sense is so common, why is it so difficult to find it?)
To: Frapster
What is the purpose of tithing? Answer: To support the work of your church. What is the work of churches? Answer: A whole lot less than it used to be. Churches have passed the responsibility for the sick, poor, elderly, young, etc. on to government.
When 40% (or more) of my income is confiscated by governments, much of it to be spent on programs that were much more efficiently administered by churches in the past, I feel little compulsion to donate as much to those same churches as was previously considered adequate.
100 years ago churches collected 10% (or less) of their members' incomes and took care of much more. I will support the church and other charities because I choose to, but in reality I'm sure what the government confiscates (from my gross, by the way) more than satisfies the 10% tithe.
32 posted on
05/23/2003 1:25:35 PM PDT by
3Lean
To: Frapster
To: Frapster
Gross
To: Frapster
Net. When the Lord gets the gubmint off my back, He will get more.
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