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The Guild 1-30-2003 Whiney Enviroweenies
MSNBC ^ | 1-30-2003

Posted on 01/30/2003 3:24:26 AM PST by BigWaveBetty

National Environmental Trust

Philip Clapp, president:
“This is the first time President Bush has mentioned the environment in a State of the Union, and the reason is simple: his poll numbers with the swing voters he needs in 2004 — women, independents and suburban voters — are dropping. This was window-dressing pure and simple.

“After two years of rolling back environmental protections, he has discovered there’s a cost. “President Bush’s environmental promises always come with a “Buyer Beware” sign. “His air pollution plan actually allows power plants to pollute more, for a decade longer, than the current Clean Air Act allows. “His forest plan allows timber companies to cut down 3,000 truckloads a year of the great trees in the Sequoia National Monument. [snip]

Sierra Club

Daniel Becker, global warming and energy program director:
“Fuel cells are an important part of a clean energy future, but the president’s rhetoric does not match the reality. President Bush’s FreedomCAR program is built on the flawed Partnership for A New Generation of Vehicles, which squandered billions of taxpayer dollars in research and development but did not bring a single hybrid vehicle to the marketplace. Similarly, the FreedomCAR program funnels millions to Detroit without requiring that they produce a single fuel cell vehicle for the public to purchase.

“The auto industry is using the promise of future fuel cells as a shield against using existing technology to dramatically cut our oil dependence, and pollution, today. This technology is sitting on the shelf while Detroit dithers. Honda and Toyota are producing hybrid vehicles today, the big three are not. Honda has stated that it is using the electric motor of its hybrid as the basis for the fuel cell cars which it is beginning to produce. Meanwhile, FreedomCAR is re-inventing the wheel. Refusing to demand that the Big Three use modern, gas-saving technology is irresponsible. [snip]

Natural Resources Defense Council

David Hawkins, climate director:
It’s surprising how brazen the president is being at taking what are rollbacks and delays and claiming that they are initiatives. Both of the activities (Clear Skies and Healthy Forests) that he featured in his statement last night are prime examples of that.”

“Having a program to accelerate the use of hydrogen fuels is a good idea but the president talked of a car that would be available in 16 years. We need something to deal with the next 16 years ... such as improving the fuel efficiency standards.” [snip]

It goes without saying if clintoon had proposed all this the enviroweenies would have made him a hero.


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To: NYpeanut
G*d that's great - afro-mullet. You give up nothing on your homepage, but anyone who can slap down the afro-mullet card is solid here. Thanks.

Run Al Run! You mullet.
81 posted on 01/30/2003 5:48:32 PM PST by lodwick
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To: Endeavor
I am home now. I posted from the road. The new computer hasn't arrived yet, so I am working with the dinasor. I am home overnight, dentist appt. first thing then meetings tomorrow, home tomorrow night for the weekend. Unfortunately, the Sunday/Monday weather doesn't sound good, so I may or maynot head back out on Sunday afternoon,, depending on the weather. I don't cherish the idea of leaving home Monday morning in the dark in the middle of a blinding snow storm.

I'm heading out to steep awhile. BBL
82 posted on 01/30/2003 6:30:20 PM PST by Iowa Granny (Be kind to your children,,,,, they will select your nursing home)
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To: BigWaveBetty
Whiney Euroweenie joke:

Going to war without France is like going duck hunting without an accordian.

You just leave a lot of useless, noisy baggage behind.
83 posted on 01/30/2003 6:49:02 PM PST by Timeout
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To: Timeout
Great observation.
84 posted on 01/30/2003 7:53:36 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The racist press is sabotaging Rev. Al's electoral juggernaut of a campaign!
85 posted on 01/31/2003 12:39:01 AM PST by ewing
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To: Iowa Granny
Steep well Gran.
86 posted on 01/31/2003 4:06:25 AM PST by lodwick
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To: lodwick; All
Good Morning. It's icy out there this morning.
87 posted on 01/31/2003 4:40:01 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Be kind to your children,,,,, they will select your nursing home)
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To: Iowa Granny
Good morning! We're back to temps in the 70's this week, supposed to be 77 today.

I heard something interesting yesterday about Iowa. Seems a state rep. has introduced a bill that makes it illeagal to have a shack up honey if there are children living with either person. I'll go find the story in a minute... Go Iowa!! :-)

88 posted on 01/31/2003 5:05:51 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: pubmom
Exactly what did he (clinton) do about these threats on his own watch?

Billy was busy alright, remember those sales of military technology to China? Seems China then sold it to Iraq.

The ultimate irony is that the Tiger Song system is made from U.S.-manufactured parts and equipment exported to China during the Clinton administration. In 1994, Chinese Gen. Ding Henggao obtained the advanced fiber-optic system through his contacts inside the Clinton administration.

According to documents obtained using the Freedom of Information Act, Ding was a close friend of Clinton Secretary of Defense William Perry. In 1994, Ding had risen to command the Chinese army's military research bureau "COSTIND," or the Commission on Science Technology and Industry for National Defense. Full story

89 posted on 01/31/2003 5:16:09 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
I contine to be amazed that this country even survived clintoon and his minions....

(holding my breath--we're not out of the woods yet).
90 posted on 01/31/2003 5:22:12 AM PST by Timeout
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To: BigWaveBetty
I read the same story. His theory is these are the types of situations where children are abused. It will be interesting to watch it unfold. The Democrat Governor will never sign the bill.
91 posted on 01/31/2003 5:23:42 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Be kind to your children,,,,, they will select your nursing home)
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To: Timeout
"A motley collection of nations one can buy on EBay": This is what Robert Scheer thinks of the Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Poland, Portugal and Spain. Talk about your ugly Americans

I'm just speechless at the ignorance of this remark. Tony Blair a fig leaf? What does that make the United Kingdom? Obviously, Robert Scheer knows nothing of history.

92 posted on 01/31/2003 5:58:19 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Timeout
Speaking of minions...

Walter Cronkite and Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. are up in arms about a proposed windmill farm that many want located on Long Island Sound. These bastions of environmentalism are doing the NIBY dance. Seems the Cronkite spread and the Kennedy compound would look out directly onto this proposed windmill farm.

Funny thing is I couldn't find a printed story with this info. (that doesn't mean there isn't one, I just couldn't find it.) So... we have a CNN story on realplayer where Cronkite asks the burning question, "Will whales be able to find their way around these windmills? Will the dolphins?" (For years we've heard from these trolls that whales and dolphins are smarter than us, now they're too stupid to find their way around a post.) All this concern for the environment is a cover for the real problem they have, windmill farms are ugly.

Here's a link to the Save our Sound website. Scroll down just a bit, on the left you'll see a link to the CNN story. Sorry, I couldn't link it.

93 posted on 01/31/2003 6:00:23 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
Here's something related to the windmill story: Environmentalists at odds over ocean wind farms

Newsday had an article in early January about Kennedy's complaints about the Long Island project, specifically, but the story isn't available free of charge from the web site.

94 posted on 01/31/2003 6:14:34 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Iowa Granny
The Democrat Governor will never sign the bill.

Dems don't want to interrupt their fun. It's much more important to keep a shack up honey than to keep a child safe.

95 posted on 01/31/2003 6:18:19 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
No, wait, here's a story from the NY Daily News:

"I strongly support wind farms," said environmental lawyer Robert Kennedy Jr., president of the Waterkeeper Alliance. "But you wouldn't put a wind farm in Central Park, and you shouldn't put one off Jones Beach," he said, adding, "The diminished value that the wind farm would impose on the public would not justify the benefits."

96 posted on 01/31/2003 6:18:34 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
Thanks for finding that. Noticing that Kennedy is hardly mentioned and America's grandfather, Cronkite is no where in the story. Nope, no media bias going on there!
97 posted on 01/31/2003 6:25:10 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: mountaineer
The largest of its planned New York wind farms would be an 82-turbine operation spread over 17 square miles of the Atlantic Ocean, only a mile from the private beaches of billionaires in Westhampton.

I thought that I heard from the video clip that the wind farm would be 6 miles off shore. Please correct me if I'm wrong. No mention of Walter in that story either.

Make no mistake, I wouldn't want that in my backyard either. At least I'm not a hypocrite about it. I prefer the wiser thought of conservation and developing things like hydrogen fuel cells.

98 posted on 01/31/2003 6:36:43 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
Speaking of Kennedy and media hypocrisy, I'm still waiting for someone from CNN, ABC, et al., to ask Teddy K. why he's so opposed to tax cuts, when they proved so economically productive when his brother Jack proposed them during his presidency.
99 posted on 01/31/2003 6:36:46 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer; All
Here's why I'm so hot over Cronkite in this matter of windmills:

Ten prominent figures from various walks of life have written an open letter to President George W Bush urging him to review his stance on the environment.

The letter, in Monday's issue of Time magazine, follows signals that the Bush administration has abandoned the 1997 Kyoto treaty aimed at cutting greenhouse gas emissions, which are blamed for global warming. [snip]

The open letter to President Bush stressed the importance of the environment.

The letter signers include former US and Soviet leaders Jimmy Carter and Mikhail Gorbachev, financier George Soros, physicist Stephen Hawking and actor Harrison Ford.

The other signatories are US Senator and former astronaut John Glenn, former newscaster Walter Cronkite, conservationist Jane Goodall, biologist Edward O Wilson and J Graig Venter, the president of Celera Genomics.

From the letter; "There are many strategies for curbing greenhouse-gas emissions without slowing economic growth. In fact, the spread of advanced, cleaner technology is more of an economic opportunity than a peril.

"The future of our children - and their children - depends on the resolve that you and other world leaders show," the letter said. Full story

Thanks for putting your backyard where your mouth is grandpa!

100 posted on 01/31/2003 6:45:46 AM PST by BigWaveBetty
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