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The Guild 11-14-2002 Abraham Unveils Hydrogen-Car System
Yahoo ^ | 11-12-2002 | By DAVID GOODMAN

Posted on 11/14/2002 4:43:46 AM PST by BigWaveBetty

DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) - Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) released a "roadmap" Tuesday for putting fuel cells in the nation's cars and trucks, further committing the United States to a hydrogen-based transportation system.


"Creating the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle of the future presents complex technical challenges," he told business leaders at the Global Forum on Personal Transportation in the hometown of Ford Motor Co. "Overcoming them will take an intensive and equally complex effort — but it will be worth it because the stakes really are so high."

The Department of Energy (news - web sites) and the nation's leading car and oil companies began work one year ago on a "National Hydrogen Energy Roadmap," Abraham said.

Abraham was holding a closed-door meeting later Tuesday with the heads of the chief executives of some of the nation's leading businesses, including Ford, General Motors Corp. and Exxon Mobil Corp., as well as the leaders of American, Northwest and Southwest airlines.

Fuel cells use a chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity. When pure hydrogen is used, the only tailpipe emission is water vapor.

The technology could have two big benefits: sharply cutting America's dependence on oil imports from an unstable Middle East and reducing the production of greenhouse gases widely blamed for global warming (news - web sites).

But fuel-cell technology is not expected to be widely available until the end of the decade at least.

Critics say the Bush administration and auto industry are using fuel cell research as a way to fend off calls for vehicles that get more miles per gallon.

"The whole business about fuel cell vehicles is just political theater," said analyst David Healy of Burnham Securities.

He said a much better way to reduce oil consumption is through gas-electric vehicles, some of which already are on the road.


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To: Endeavor; mountaineer; Hillary's Lovely Legs; *The GUILD
Another visit to the BikerBar would seem to indicate that most of the patrons' mental fitness and posting manners are assuredly pre Cromagnon - JHC and WTF? Where do these people live and how long does it take them to type a sentence?

Please, no answers are really wanted. ;-)
101 posted on 11/15/2002 4:36:41 PM PST by lodwick
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To: mountaineer
I agree - the only way I could stomach it is if we all got together and made a bit of sport over it. Truth be told, I am curious as to which tree Al will be.
102 posted on 11/15/2002 5:03:20 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
My money is on the pussywillow.
103 posted on 11/15/2002 5:05:25 PM PST by lodwick
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To: lodwick
tbere is bourbon and coke all over my keyboard - i hope you are happy.

pussywillow - sheesh (slaps head) Why didn't I think of that?
104 posted on 11/15/2002 5:10:51 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
If you would all like a live thread, I would be happy to post one. I usually start one about a half hour before the show, but lately live threads have been started a couple hours before.

If you want one, you will have one. We can also share our favorite photos.
105 posted on 11/15/2002 5:13:16 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: lodwick; All
Walking tours in NYC, as listed in the NY Times, now include the following:

"WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD: BILL CLINTON'S HARLEM" passes by the Schomburg Center, the Apollo Theater and the former president's office. Meets tomorrow and Sunday at 1 p.m. on the southwest corner of Malcolm X Boulevard and 135th Street. Fee, $12. Information: (888) 377-4455.

I visited San Francisco once - when will they to name a walking tour in that town after me?
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More on the pathetic pile of sawdust that used to be AlGore, including this bizarre description of what it was like to be Al Gore on Sept. 11, 2001:

Gore's daughter Karenna was in Manhattan. The Internet experts patched him in to a remote phone connection with Tipper, who told him Karenna was okay, and then the two of them sat, thousands of miles apart, and watched the horror.

"Al, those towers are going to collapse," Tipper said.

"No, they're not," Gore told her.

The towers collapsed. And then, like so many people, Gore felt the need to call people. He called New York Gov. George Pataki, he called Mayor Rudy Giuliani, he called Sen. Hillary Clinton, he called Sen. Charles Schumer. He tried to call Bill Clinton, who was in Australia, but couldn't reach him. And then he set about trying to get back home.

"It became like 'Groundhog Day,' the movie," says Gore. "Every morning I would get up and start the routine of trying to get out."

All flights to the United States were grounded, so Gore asked his hosts, which included the Austrian government, to get him to North America. Eventually he got on a flight to Canada, where the Mounties drove him over the closed border into the United States.

In Buffalo, he and an aide rented a car, intending to drive to Washington for the service at National Cathedral. Along the way he tried to give blood, but was turned away. There was a surplus. There was nothing--not even plasma [Or, in his case, sap] --his country needed from him.

While he and the aide were driving, Bill Clinton called. He'd been flown to the United States on military transport, and was now at home in New York. Bush was sending a plane to take him to National Cathedral. Why didn't Gore drive to Chappaqua and fly down with him?

Clinton gave him directions to get to the house, so that's where Gore went, arriving in the middle of the night. Clinton had waited up. He was doing some renovating, with the result that there was a refrigerator on the front porch.

"Al arrives at about 3:30 in the morning, sees the refrigerator on the porch, and the first thing he says is, 'I see you've managed to bring a little bit of Arkansas to New York,' " Clinton recalled in a statement for this article. "And I knew that after all he'd been through, he hadn't lost his sense of humor." full story, WashPost.

106 posted on 11/15/2002 5:14:53 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer
what? no car up on blocks out in the front yard? Bet Bubba was barefoot and someone was pregnant.
107 posted on 11/15/2002 5:41:06 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor; mountaineer
Oh my gosh! So funny. The thought of the refrigerator on the front porch. Why didn't they throw a tarp over it or something?
108 posted on 11/15/2002 6:00:21 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
because it's harder to get the beer out
109 posted on 11/15/2002 6:04:18 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
Oopsie - BWB & mountaineer have already wasted my keyboard today. Glad you got a chuckle out of the wooden one.

I read once, somewhere, that "Laughter is God's Sunshine." I liked that quote a lot. The other one I liked, back in the day was, "If you can get her to laugh, you can get her to bed." (Please don't tell anyone I told you that.)

Surely someone here will throw up a thread for this misadventure in television. I hope.
110 posted on 11/15/2002 6:04:36 PM PST by lodwick
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To: mountaineer
...sap...for crying out loud - that is so funny Mrs.L is gonna come in here and slap me upside the head! Thank you, I think. Oh man.
111 posted on 11/15/2002 6:08:40 PM PST by lodwick
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To: mountaineer
WHY did Gore think that Pataki and Giulianni would have the time or need to talk to him? And Schumer and Clinton have no need for him, except for butt boy jokes.
112 posted on 11/15/2002 6:19:25 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
Live Thread
113 posted on 11/15/2002 6:20:08 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: lodwick
"What is up with LP hammering TheGuild?"

I don't know. I've never seen such a collection of losers and whiners.

I love FR, even if I am FReepin' a lot less than I used to, but it isn't my life!

It's such a unique phenomenom, people who leave FR because they are either booted out or get disgusted by it, go elsewhere and spend all their time talking about what's going on in FR!!!

Anyway, I stopped in to congratulate The Guild on this incredible power you all wield, and to ask you for a favor.

Could you all use this influence and power to make Gore just go away and shut up?

Thanks.

114 posted on 11/15/2002 7:44:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Could you all use this influence and power to make Gore just go away and shut up?

Your wish is our command. However, this will be no easy task. It will take at least until September '04 if we're lucky, November '04 if we're not.

Either way he'll be toast by Jan. 20, 2005.

Working hard for you!

115 posted on 11/15/2002 8:24:39 PM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: lodwick
I don't know why my name isn't on the list. Nobody likes me! boo hoo hoo!

There was a post election pool party? Nobody invited me! It wasn't at my house, I had just finished giving you a birthday pool party. Wahhhhhhh! Nobody likes me!

Me, me, me, it's all about ME!

I don't think I'll be going on the cruise... don't like the big boat thing. You all take lots of pictures though and bring something back for ME. ;-)

116 posted on 11/15/2002 8:31:35 PM PST by BigWaveBetty
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To: BigWaveBetty
Good Morning. No Cruise for me, either. I have no desire to travel that way. Actually, I have very little desire to travel at all.

Now,,, if someone organized a really good freep at the right time of year,,, that's my kind of fun!!
117 posted on 11/16/2002 5:51:01 AM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
We do need a good reason to get together and Freep, don't we? What fun we could have.

Anybody think Hans Blix actually has a clue? He's a weenie. He'd better go after the sites the US has prioritized, first. Hans has a spine of jelly. He is a lap dog for Annon. People sure oughtta see that the UN is nothing but the most paper of tigers. What a waste of our money.
118 posted on 11/16/2002 8:06:59 AM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
Oh, and get this. Last night on CNN Headlines news, Carter was reported to say the following "Norwegians give $17 in foreign aid for every dollar an American gives." Well duh, Jimmy. There are a lot more Americans than Norwegians. Why don't you look at the overall dollar amount that America gives vs Norway in Foreign Aid. Give me a break. Jimmy Carter is brain dead. Has been since 1976. The Noble commmittee is a group of socialists/communists. Carter still hasn't figured that the political statement that accompanied his "prize" was a way of slamming Bush, not elevating Carter. Someone please get this peanut a clue. Or better yet, a ticket out of town.
119 posted on 11/16/2002 8:12:15 AM PST by Endeavor
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To: *The GUILD
And in case you think I'm just making this stuff up, this from Carter's interview w/Larry King last night (and you thought the Gorons were too awful to watch!):

"I think there is a sense that the United States has become too arrogant, too dominant, too self-centered, proud of our wealth, believing that we deserve to be the richest and most powerful and influential nation in the world," Carter said. "I think they feel that we don't really care about them, which is quite often true."

He added, "They all know -- the ones that are educated -- that among the developed, industrialized nations on earth, the United States is at the bottom, way at the bottom, in providing humanitarian aid for peace and for human rights and for housing and for health and education." -- Jimmy Carter on LKL 11/15/2002
120 posted on 11/16/2002 8:23:59 AM PST by Endeavor
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