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AMERICA - The Right Way!! (Day 635) [Remember the Trade Center!!]
Various News Sources and FReepers | October 17, 2002 | All of Us

Posted on 10/17/2002 4:17:06 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society

We will not live in fear! [President Bush]

Good morning!! Do not let the victims of the attacks on New York and Washington, nor the brave members of our Nation's military who have given their lives to protect our freedom, die in vain!!

North Korea admits to a secret nuclear weapons program, according to a senior Administration official.

The source said [Assistant Secretary of State] Kelly [while visiting the reclusive Communist Nation on security talks] also raised with North Korea evidence that North Korea may have a uranimum-enrichment program. The program, which the United States believes would only be used to develop a nuclear bomb, began under the Clinton administration, according to the official.

Surprisingly, North Korea confirmed the allegation. FULL STORY HERE.

The ACLU has announced they are looking into whether the Defense Department violated the Posse Comitatus Act by supplying assistance to local police departments in the Washington area looking for the sniper.

Washington area police offered these tips to improve people's safety:

Click here to obtain information being offered by Washington-area police departments on how to help protect yourself from the sniper.

And BS refers to Saddam Hussein as an Iranian dictator in a Truth Alert

For AMERICA - The Right Way, I remain yours in the Cause, the Chairman.


TOPICS: AMERICA - The Right Way!!
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To: Miss Marple
Oh, I don't think you have to believe in a literal Creation story to have a strong faith or oppose abortion either. And I don't presume to know how God created the earth......just the faith to know that He did.

And I am not saying by any means that all scientists are charlatans, but I do believe that there has been so much presumption on the part of the public that everything we have been told about scientific 'discoveries' is completely factual, that we have not asked enough questions about its validity.

I'm of the opinion that removing God from the beginnings of life is removing the value of humanity, and by doing so there is no reason to believe that destroying life before birth is a bad thing to do. There was a very definite anti-Christian effort in the 19th century by scientists to destroy people's belief in God......and I believe it worked.

Where I have landed on the evolution issue, is that, from my knowledge of Scripture, there is no reason not to believe in a literal 6 day creation. And I have to ask myself why could it not been done in 6 days, and what evidence is there to believe that it was not? Does the knowledge of the truth of a universal flood explain some of the 'proof' of evolution? I believe very strongly that it does.

I see a potential danger in 'theistic evolution' unless one evaluates science on one's understanding of Scripture (as do you), and not the other way around. I definitely don't claim to have all the answers, and, as a non-scientist, I need to rely on the research of other people either way to have any understanding of it.

And one thing that I don't doubt, Miss Marple, after reading your words for nearly 2 years, is your faith, or your understanding God's truth in His word, and the love of His Son, Jesus Christ.

81 posted on 10/17/2002 8:40:49 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
I think there is ample scientific evidence to support the notion that (1) the earth was not created in six human days (who's to say a "day" to God is not several thousand millenia?); and (2) that geologic dating is not inconsistent with the notion in (1).

Carbon-14 dating has its limits. It only works backwards for a couple of thousand millenia. With a half-life of 11,000 years (I believe that's what it is), after 10 decay generations (a bit more than 1,000,000 years), only 0.1% of the material remains, and it gets exponentially smaller after that.

People are pretty comfortable with strata dating as well - at least at the big picture level. What occurs within those layers is and will be for some time to come the subject of a lot of research.

But back to the main point - I think if we look at the Bible as the Word of the Lord, then the whole notion of a "day" in God's eye's becomes extraordinarily relevant. It may not be up to us to figure out what a day in the life of God is, but to accept it as a given.

And if we accept that a Day of the Lord may be very, very long indeed, then what science is finding out, in reality, what happens during the morning, noon, and night of each of these days.

That seems to fit pretty well; darn well, actually.

82 posted on 10/17/2002 8:44:36 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society
One little question......to which I don't have the answer.

Why does the word in Genesis for 'day' mean a 24 hour day, whereas the word for day in Day of the Lord does not?

Why not use the word which means 'it could be a millenium' day instead of the 'morning and the evening were the first (24 hour) day?

83 posted on 10/17/2002 8:48:47 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
Why does the word in Genesis for 'day' mean a 24 hour day,

I'm reading in an NIV version in Genesis 1, and it has phrases like: "And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day."

It is possible to assume this is talking about a sideriel day - and I believe a lot of folks draw that conclusion. It is not impossible, again, to interpret this as being a day in the life of God - which, of course, spans all time.

Beyond that, I'm drawing a blank of a distinct reference from the Book that identifies the length of day as a sidereal day.

84 posted on 10/17/2002 8:56:51 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society; ohioWfan; Miss Marple
Guess you're not surprised that I would 'jump' into this creation discussion.

There are Christian scientists & archeologists who do not discount creation as Chairman & Jane understand it.........

...and then again, who is to say God didn't create it literally in a day----per our understanding of a 'day'...as the Word says..........

After all, He IS God.

Suffice to say, having visited the Grand Canyon (as some of you have) and seeing one small part of God's vastness in creativity, I stand amazed at the insignificance of myself......save for God's redeeming sacrifice.

As hubbybear & I stood in awe overlooking the beautiful canyons (albeit I was standing a bit more behind hubby, like behind the tree :)

....hubby said it was like God's thumb dragging through the mud that created this gorgeous panarama.---and this was said most reverently!

That stuck with me......almighty God .....who created the world and you & me.....dragging his thumb across the dirt & allowing us a glimpse of His handiwork.

85 posted on 10/17/2002 9:00:56 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society; Miss Marple
Another link to a possible IRA connection..

Here.

The unit was known to operate from a "mobile platform"an-improvised armoured saloon car with a gun mount in the back -which made it almost undetectable.

After the attacks, which resulted in 11 deaths (including one in Fermanagh), in only 14 or 15 operations, the sniper was driven away leaving no shells or forensic contamination.

Someone is now copying this same tactic in the DC area.....I really am now beginning to wonder..

86 posted on 10/17/2002 9:01:47 AM PDT by Dog
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To: lysie
I love it! The second is so simple, but can be used so many more ways. Thanks! 8^)
87 posted on 10/17/2002 9:02:43 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: aristeides
See my post 86..
88 posted on 10/17/2002 9:04:37 AM PDT by Dog
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To: ohioWfan
I tend to agree with your thinking too....

a literal 'day' has always seemed appropriate.........

...considering who God is, and what He is capable of.

89 posted on 10/17/2002 9:05:06 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Dog
Very interesting, Dog. I notice that NYPD has a BOLO on the white vans. Hmmmm.
90 posted on 10/17/2002 9:06:20 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
I am going to start posting this cartoon on some threads:


91 posted on 10/17/2002 9:07:57 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
From the land of hanging chads and blatant vote fraud: 18 new voting machines go missing in Broward
92 posted on 10/17/2002 9:11:01 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: Dog
the sniper was driven away leaving no shells or forensic contamination.

Well, our DC sniper isn't exactly following the same tactics. There has been quite a bit of forensic contamination. That is how they've been able to link all 12 events.

93 posted on 10/17/2002 9:15:14 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Miss Marple
Evolution as taught to day is based on the theory of primodial soup and the random combination of chemical elements in just the right temperature humidity and other factors to create a living cell.

Here is my attack on their reasoning.

When I ask what are the odds of a cell being created. They say very great. They say it may have taken millions or even billions of years before all conditions existed to create a living cell. But random theory says such conditions did come to exist and these random conditions created living cells. It only takes one chance out of billions of billions of situations for a living cell to evolve is what they say.

I ask them if a a living cell is complex. I ask them if they think a living cell or even a human being is very complex? Why couldn't the conditions have occured in days like my Bible says?

They patiently tell me that cells are very very complex and it would take a huge number of years for the primordial soup to appear. My simplistic days is just not realistic. Cells are very complex. The bible is simplistic.

I then say that a living cell can't be all that complex. I ask them "If they think a living cell is more complex than... than " <\b> here I look around and finally look in my pocket and take out my Bic pen and say "this Bic ball point pen?"

They look at me like I am an idiot and say a living cell is way more complex than my stupid BIC pen.

And I say, "Do You believe that random combination of the elements produced a living cell?" They always reply ... "Certainly."

I then ask why in all of these billions of years why a simple thing like a bic pen has not evolved in nature. Evolution can randomly make a human being but not a ball point pen? Why is it not reasonable to expect in all these billions of years the chemical elements to make a bic pen have not come togther in the right amounts and place to produce more of them than the BIC people have. My God, I say, the Bic company produces thousands of these little pens a day. How much random would it take for one to evolve? Bic can make pens but not humans. And you want be to believe that random combinations can evolve living cells but not evolve a single BIC ball point pen?

It tell them that when evolution can evolve a GE Refrigerator I will believe it can create a man.

But if billions of years of random reactions of all possible elements can't even evolve a BIC pen... then how can it be powerful enough to evolve a pig.

Show me the Bic Pen ... as random combinations of the elements on this earth created one.


94 posted on 10/17/2002 9:17:57 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
18 new voting machines go missing in Broward

You'll find them in the cemetery. How else will the dead people vote?

95 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:12 AM PDT by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society; Guenevere
The Hebrew word for Day in Genesis 1 is 'yom,' that every time it is in Scripture means a 24 hour day. It never refers to a long period of time.

The Hebrew word 'olam' is the word which refers to a period of time and is translated Day, as in Day of the Lord.

Consider also that the text also says "God called the light, 'day', and the darkness he called 'night'." That's pretty literal language if it's meant to be just symbolism, isn't it?

My bottom line continues to be, why should I not believe in creation story in Genesis literally? And if I don't, does that mean that I don't believe the rest of Genesis literally? For me it's what we often call a 'slippery slope.'

I'm in total agreement with you, Guenevere.......God's power is amazing, and the Grand Canyon is a perfect example of it. He could make the mountains and the canyons with a fingertip, a flood, or even just a word! Awesome!!

Did you know that scientists now acknowledge that the Colorado River could, in no way have caused the Grand Canyon.......but that hasn't filtered down to the innocent children in public schools who are being force fed 'facts' about evolution that are in no way factual.

96 posted on 10/17/2002 9:23:53 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: Dog; illstillbe; Molly Pitcher; Guenevere; kayak; Lysander
Hello everyone. I have been in chronic (sporadic) lurker mode for many weeks. When I posted a spur of the moment comment to Dog on another thread, he reminded me of my manners. So, I'm breaking lurker mode to say "hi" and to tell you how glad I am to see many of you still here and apparently well.

youuuu-whooooo. illstillbeeeeeee!
97 posted on 10/17/2002 9:26:04 AM PDT by Josephine
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To: Josephine
What a delight to see you!!! Hope all is well!!!
98 posted on 10/17/2002 9:30:13 AM PDT by kayak
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To: Josephine
ooops. My post #97 should have also been addressed to "All"

So sorry
99 posted on 10/17/2002 9:32:09 AM PDT by Josephine
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To: kayak
The feeling is mutual sweetie. Yes, I am well, thank you. ; )
100 posted on 10/17/2002 9:34:13 AM PDT by Josephine
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