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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

Posted on 09/26/2002 12:34:48 AM PDT by stlnative

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY


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To: varina davis
Does Ed place himself inside Ricci's apartment?
501 posted on 09/29/2002 12:54:59 PM PDT by partialpressures
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To: sandude
I'm amazed that you'd think he wouldn't have it. Richard was working for him after all.

Why would he need an address if he was paying him off in cash and a vehicle? It's not like he was keeping books and records on his itinerent employees.

502 posted on 09/29/2002 12:56:13 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: partialpressures
Does Ed place himself inside Ricci's apartment?

I don't believe he does in the story in today's SLC tribune.

503 posted on 09/29/2002 12:57:24 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Why would he need an address if he was paying him off in cash and a vehicle? It's not like he was keeping books and records on his itinerent employees.

Please show the proof that he paid his employees in cash and that he kept no books? The only place I've ever heard that is from the Smart haters. The fact that he knew Richards address shows that he was keeping books.

504 posted on 09/29/2002 12:59:33 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
The fact that he knew Richards address shows that he was keeping books.

No it doesn't. He could have had Ricci's address for a number of reasons -- none of which we know, of course. I said "IF" he was paying him in cash and a vehicle. That seemed to be the case early on, mostly from what Ed himself said regarding the vehicle trade-off for work.

505 posted on 09/29/2002 1:02:15 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
He could have had Ricci's address for a number of reasons

I can only think of one, Richard was his employee. Care to elaborate on your innuendo?

506 posted on 09/29/2002 1:04:42 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
"The fact that he knew Richards address shows that he was keeping books."

No it doesn't. I don't know if Ed was keeping books on his workmen or not, but this is certainly not proof of it.

507 posted on 09/29/2002 1:04:54 PM PDT by freedox
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To: freedox
I don't know if Ed was keeping books on his workmen or not, but this is certainly not proof of it.

You're right, it isn't proof but it is an indication that he was keeping books. There are no indications that he was not.

508 posted on 09/29/2002 1:07:22 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
"I can only think of one, Richard was his employee."

I can think of another one......Richard had his jeep.

509 posted on 09/29/2002 1:07:33 PM PDT by freedox
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To: freedox
I can think of another one......Richard had his jeep.

Alright, that's two.

510 posted on 09/29/2002 1:08:31 PM PDT by sandude
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To: All
I just want to reiterate one of the things that I found most strange about today's Salt Lake Tribune article.....the total absence of a GUN. Neither of Ed's "quotes" from MK contain any mention of a gun. Ed himself makes no mention of a gun. Sueann Adams makes no mention of a gun. Chief Dinse makes no mention of a gun. Why has this all important detail been dropped all of a sudden?
511 posted on 09/29/2002 1:18:38 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Palladin
I wonder why Suann Adams feels compelled to lie for her neighbors,

I would like to hear all the neighbors interviewed. In time !

512 posted on 09/29/2002 1:27:15 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: freedox
Why has this all important detail been dropped all of a sudden?

This is an assumption on your part. There has never been a statement that there was not a gun. FWIS Last nights AMW re-enactment showed a gun.

513 posted on 09/29/2002 1:29:27 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
FWIS = FWIW
514 posted on 09/29/2002 1:30:14 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
"This is an assumption on your part. There has never been a statement that there was not a gun."

You're right, there hasn't been a direct statement that there was not a gun. Instead, it has just seemingly "disappeared" from everyone's account of that night. The gun is the one thing that distinguishes this case as a forced abduction. I think it is very strange that it's the one detail that does not appear in this article. We'll see if it resurfaces in subsequent articles.

515 posted on 09/29/2002 1:42:17 PM PDT by freedox
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To: freedox
Why has this all important detail been dropped all of a sudden?

The younger girl acts "almost like it never happened," he said softly.

Hmmm, maybe there wasn't a gun involved?

516 posted on 09/29/2002 1:48:50 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Hmmm, maybe there wasn't a gun involved?

We can only hope!

517 posted on 09/29/2002 1:51:05 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: All
"Many only came by briefly, then went to check all-night convenience stores and restaurants in the hope Elizabeth hadn't gotten far, Adams said."

This particular quote doesn't seem to fit with the "armed gunman" scenario. Why would an armed gunman take his victim to an all-night convenience store or a restaurant? I also noticed the phrase, "...in the hope Elizabeth hadn't gotten far." No mention of Elizabeth being in the company of an armed abductor. Of course, I am not taking the statements of Sueann Adams as proof of anything.....I just find this particular statement to be inconsistent with the "armed gunman" story.

518 posted on 09/29/2002 1:57:14 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
The younger girl acts "almost like it never happened," he said softly.

Maybe because she has some reason to believe the man isn't so dangerous? That he might be someone who would eventually bring her sister back? Who knows.

519 posted on 09/29/2002 1:58:45 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
I want to state one more time, that a nine yr. old girl, who by all looks of the lifestyle that we have been shown, seeing a MAN in the middle of the night..take your sister..show a gun..makes a threat...she hears the voice threaten...watches her sister leave...

Wouldn't tell her Daddy?

Ed tells the SLC Tribune writer that she said a three word statement..and then later, downstairs, says another dry statement?

Sorry, that I won't believe. Is Mary Katherine a normal child? I mean she isn't challenged, is she? The reason I ask, is because normally a chlld of that age, would know what a threat was, more than a 4 yr. old. But a "challenged" young girl, may not come right out with it.

This is in no way anything other than a question to answer the possibility of why she would not tell. If she did tell..THAT should be upper most in any interview. ELIZABETH + GUN + ABDUCTION...is the story.

And...It should have been the first thing out of Ed's mouth to 911

520 posted on 09/29/2002 1:59:21 PM PDT by Neenah
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