Posted on 09/24/2002 6:23:39 PM PDT by StopDemocratsDotCom
Ok, So what's the deal with "5", I have a general idea of what it is but i want specifics. You see it everywhere and in all forms, what the heck is "5"?, other than the number after 4, before 6. Did Freepers start this trend?
Oh good grief .. nothing against Ron Paul, I am sure he is a nice man .. BUT he isn't God .. he won't be able to save our country over night ..
And that is the problem with the LP .. they want everything done and fixed NOW!! and to hell with everything else
Well I hate to break it to you .. but not even Ron Paul could do that ..
Hey, free translation: by all indications, saying something "insulting" to someone YOU know does.
And you STILL continue to ignore my main point.
Tell me what Republicans have done to roll back government largess. Until you can show me the last time Republicans decreased the size of the federal government, your Republicans are just as guilty as libertarians.
I thought you said Libertarians are for personal responsibility? Then why are you pointing back at Dems & Repubs?
What does this have to do with anything? Personal responsibility deals with outcomes of your own actions, not of others. The 'others' (being the DP and RP of course) do not support it, and therefore would outside the realm of PERSONAL responsibility.
I was describing the libertarian party. "I" do not want to legalise drugs and go back to the original thirteen colonies. You may be registered GOP, but you are no Republican. In addition, it's an old libertarian argument (now) to accuse anyong who doesn't blindle agree with their twisted veiws of being "socialist". Perhaps you should consider changing your voter registration.
LPers claim to love the Constitution and claim that is what they are fighting for
You do realize to get what the LPer's want and as fast as they want it done .. you will have to throw the Constitution out the window first
They ONLY way you will get what you want done in the time period you want .. is to have a dictator which is exactly what the founding fathers did not want when they wrote the constitution
I don't think you have been following our conversation. He asked what LP has done something to make federal government smaller, I said Ron Paul
And that is the problem with the LP .. they want everything done and fixed NOW!! and to hell with everything else
Actually this is not true. Most of us would be ok if we could just see government shrink instead of expand, regardless of the rate. Neither party has in the past recently (the last time Republicans offered less government was 1952), nor is offering less government now or in the future.
Well I hate to break it to you .. but not even Ron Paul could do that ..
I agree, and Ron Paul isn't asking for that either.
I disagree, the LP was formed in response to Richard's Nixon's liberalism. I fully believe the LP would wither away if the RP was actually offering less government. Not hardly any government, just less government. But instead the RP offers: 8% spending increase, the patriot act, socialized drugs, HUGE farm bill subsidy among other things.
They ONLY way you will get what you want done in the time period you want .. is to have a dictator which is exactly what the founding fathers did not want when they wrote the constitution
See above, I'm not asking for overnight, just to step in the right direction.
You blame everyone for everything...especially your own lack of support. Everything is everyone elses fault. "Nevermind that we havent accomplished one single thing....that doesnt matter....nobody else is doing anything either"
It patently laughable.
Libertarians in all practicality perform one great service for the American people....they enable Democrats to be elected to government. Nothing more can be pointed to as an accomplishment.
On THAT corrective note, I'm going to bed. I got a new grandson early this morning...3:55 AM...and my dog died of a long illness tonight at about midnight (of natural causes...and peacefully, TG, in his sleep). It's been a long day.
I don't expect to sleep tonight, but I'm going to bed anyway. G'night all. It's been an entertaining thread. Needed it while sitting deathwatch.
1) Which party and presidential administrations made the first drug laws.
2) Which president spent the most on the drug war and arrested more people for drugs than any other president.
3) Which 'liberals' in Congress are asking to legalize drugs?
4) Why would having a government similar to what out FF had be bad? Or do you support larger government? Let me give you a hint, read the stated purpose for this website.
In addition, it's an old libertarian argument (now) to accuse anyong who doesn't blindle agree with their twisted veiws of being "socialist". Perhaps you should consider changing your voter registration.
I define socialism as taking from one to give to another or forcing one's morals on another. If you have a better definition I'd love to hear it. Example of this are subsidies, vice laws, medicare, publik edukation (one of the planks of communism), welfare, etc etc.
BTW you'll have to go back and repost your initial comments to be because they were not coherent enough to understand. Your second post is perfectly fine.
I reckon you're talking about my reply.
Preaching? Hardly. My reply was in direct response to the original question posed on this thread, and I quote...
Ok, So what's the deal with "5", I have a general idea of what it is but i want specifics. You see it everywhere and in all forms, what the heck is "5"?, other than the number after 4, before 6. Did Freepers start this trend?
So, I just did what others are doing, searching the world wide web in search of "5". But I wanted to add more to this important and productive subject matter than just a cheesy graphic, so I picked a whole page with a whole lotta info about "5".
After all, our best insurance against horrible things like future terrorist attacks, SlobGore or Hildybeast winning the White House, etc., is an informed and reasoned debate about this "5" horseshit. </sarcasm>
And some here make fun of people who are leaving FR. Good Lord! I'd leave myself if not for activist information and the few here who truly try to make a difference. And I've been here a long time.
Here's a thought. Instead of wasting time searching the web for unclever and monotonous "5" graphic fodder, get off your asses and make a sign and go stand by a peacenik and piss him/her off. When a member of the Armed Forces comes up and expresses his/her gratitude, you will feel a lot more satisfaction than teasing and clucking to almost like minded individuals about this "5" junk.
This is not necessarily directed at you, VaBthang4. I didn't go back and look which side you're on. Don't care either.
This forum is coming unglued.
He wasn't a newbie. And you're the only one playing the victim here. You were wrong from the jump. Give it a rest.
You still have failed to answer my question.
When was the last time 1. Elected Republicans rolled back government largess.
Instead of galvanizing the base or soliciting support from fence-sitters more mud is being flung here than on television.
But then you know that as your last two RadioFR shows are testament.
People would rather wrestle in the mud than soar with the eagles.
For what it's worth I've been stumping for Repubilican gubernatorial candidate Ehrlich in Maryland to put a final nail in the coffin of the Kennedy legacy. It appears we're winning but the general election will tell the tale.
The dead still vote early and often here.
Regards.
"Someone I know"? Who are you talking about anyway?
Well I have my doubts about that .. I could be wrong .. but I have yet to meet an LPer that is happy with anything the RP does .. and yes the RP has made some smalls steps .. but I'll admit we still have a loooong way to go .. but it's kind of hard to do this when the Democrats are in charge of things .. The Democrat President (Clinton) packs the courts with liberal judges .. the Democrat Senate holds up and blocks any good bill .. yes the RP held the House for a few years .. but it was the DP that ran the show for a loooooooooooooooong time there
And yes the LPer's didn't vote them into office but they sure as heck didn't help to keep them out of office .. so can you see why I can't and won't follow the LP blindly .. all they have shown me is that they continue to help Democrats run the show
What's this "we" stuff? I thought you were a republican? And obliquely attacking someone else while hiding your own lack of accomplishment is pretty lame. ~grin~
"You still have failed to answer my question."
Hardly....I first asked you for an "elected" Libertarian who has done one thing to roll back the Federal Government? You have given me none. You sight intent by Ron Paul....I dont care what he dreams about while asleep...what has he accomplished.
You dont get to duck my direct question for an hour all while continuing to try and trump me with your follow up question. That is not how it works.
Most LPers are extreme libertarians. They would be like The Alan keyes of the Republican party. Most libertarians, whom I would suggets is far greater number than Libertarians, would be wonderfully happy to just see government stop growing. I would be ecstatic if we could roll back government to 1900ish levels, but I do not expect it, nor do I demand it from Republicans.
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