Posted on 09/16/2002 11:10:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl
Just thought I would start a new thread.
No I'm not, Varina, I'm a paragon of suspicion. I think that is perhaps something that you and I have in common at times. But we are wasting our energy if we let our suspicions lead us in directions which are not indicated by the few facts we know about this case.
You will perhaps deny it, but to me it is unmistakeable that you are implying the possibility of incest. As I said, I am willing to at least consider the worst in any person known in this investigation.
But that phenomenon is comparatively rare. What have we seen to indicate its presence here? Nothing. The reason I, for one, don't wish to consider it now is b/c I think it's the wrong answer. It would be a waste of energy.
We are using our knowledge of the world, the experiences we've all had which have hopefully divested us of too much naivete, to imagine every possibility. But since there's only so much energy available to each one of us, we need to use it wisely, and concentrate on theories which have at least some underpinning of fact. Sometimes, I think, we are ignoring the normal-looking aspects of Elizabeth's family in favor of imaginings of abnormal doings which are just not backed up by what little we can see plainly.
Richard Ricci was said to have been nominally a Catholic. Oh...wait...has he been 100% cleared of all suspicion now?
and with you, I agree whole-heartedly that she was the very sad victim of a lifetime of abuse and neglect...
Incest has been cited as the most common form of child abuse. Studies conclude that 43 percent (43%) of the children who are abused are abused by family members, 33 percent (33%) are abused by someone they know, and the remaining 24 percent (24%) are sexually abused by strangers (Hayes, 1990). Other research indicates that over 10 million Americans have been victims of incest.
One of the nation's leading researchers on child sexual abuse, David Finkelhor, estimates that 1,000,000 Americans are victims of father-daughter incest, and 16,000 new cases occur annually (Finkelhor, 1983). However, Finkelhor's statistics may be significantly low because they are based primarily on accounts of white, middle-class women and may not adequately represent low-income and minority women (Matsakis, 1991).
Victims of incest are often extremely reluctant to reveal that they are being abused because their abuser is a person in a position of trust and authority for the victim. Often the incest victim does not understand -- or they deny -- that anything is wrong with the behavior they are encountering (Vanderbilt, 1992). Many young incest victims accept and believe the perpetrator's explanation that this is a "learning experience" that happens in every family by an older family member. Incest victims may fear they will be disbelieved, blamed or punished if they report their abuse.
You say the "phenomenon is comparatively rare." Statistics disagree. Plus, it is one of the most under-reported crimes on children. Hopefully, this is not the reason so many young girls run away from from home-- or simply disappear.
True, and even more people won't admit it even if they do know it.
To tell you the truth, I trust my own experiences, from closed courtrooms, special facilities set up to interview child rape victims, and neglect/abuse files, to tell me that incest is indeed a real and devastating phenomenon. I trust statistics less, generally keeping in mind the saying, "There are three kinds of lies--lies, damned lies, and statistics."
For example, what about this? Studies conclude that 43 percent (43%) of the children who are abused are abused by family members, 33 percent (33%) are abused by someone they know, and the remaining 24 percent (24%) are sexually abused by strangers. Isn't there some overlap between the group who are abused by family members, and the group who are abused by "someone they know?" I mean, a family member would also be "someone they know," wouldn't it?
Also, I don't see how a child who is sexually abused by "someone s/he knows" (without more, to indicate a relative), or a stranger, is a victim of incest. Strangers? I mean, I guess someone could meet a family member and be molested by him on the same day, while he is still sort of a stranger, but isn't that stretching it a bit?
Also, I wish the source had broken down the group "family members" further. A family member can include step-parents, step-siblings, adoptive relatives, uncles and aunts, in-laws, and on outward to more distant relatives. Would you two at least agree that incest perpetrated by a full-blood close relative such as father or brother is at least less common than incest perpetrated by a more distant relative, or a step-relative? The girl in question lived, as far as we know, only with her closest blood relatives. Presumably incest, when it occurs, would occur more frequently among relatives who live together, since there are far more opportunities. Yes, of course it happens. And I'm not saying that a close relative such as a father or brother might not do it. But what do we know to indicate that it happened to Elizabeth?
If you are speaking of me, varina--and I fully expect you to indignantly ask me where on earth I could have gotten THAT idea--then you are barking up the wrong tree. I know it happens, and I acknowledge that it happens.
I am sure we can all agree that doing such a thing to a child is sick and inexcusable under any circumstances. But we should separate the two thoughts:
1. Incest is a sick and horrible, inexcusable crime and travesty.
2. We have no idea at this point whether Elizabeth Smart was a victim of incest.
Well, OF COURSE we don't! And not likely to, either.
Since it is so hidden and under-reported, why would you even think the public would know? Even mothers and other family members often keep it hidden to preserve the family reputation and with hopes it won't recur, with counseling, etc.
Well, then I guess we'll never get to solve the mystery, will we, Varina? I hear space-alien abductions are also kept under very strict wraps, so we'd also be s---outta luck if that was the explanation, too!
Take heart. There's still one girl left living in that family, and if anyone knows any such thing about Elizabeth, that person might very well have had it up to here with the abuser!
One can always hope.
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