Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/17/02 to ???

[Utah Girl]

Just thought I would start a new thread.

[varina davis]

They are Reebok's.

Well, someone did a switcheroo -- they've always said Ralph Lauren.

[sandude]

Well, someone did a switcheroo -- they've always said Ralph Lauren.

I'm not sure where the Ralph Lauren story came from. I'm sure that the website is accurate.

[scaredkat]

yes, LE are on the watch rather it be police or fbi depends on what place we are (not) talking about.
I will say this there are certain people being watched and there are certain places being watch. (yes I do know who some of the people are and yes I was chased out of an area they were surveilling. I was just checking out someone on the sex offender list. There three different police cars in this area. I think my car has been tagged by the LE not to worry about me but keep me at bay.) (Dang I should be getting paid for this. I sound like a privite eye or a reporter.)
Have you notice or maybe it doesnt hit your news, that there are a lot of arrest going on that concern, meth labs, internet sex offenders (not sure what they call it) and solisitating sex of minors. Two names in the news today David Vance-on the internet and arranging meeting two teenage boys for sex when he got there he was arrested, he slipt out of his house while his wife was asleep (sound familiar). Michael Lawson Hans sex offence. No these dont have to do with Elizabeth case but it tells you where the fbi is looking.
Porn on the internet, meth labs, drugs, which of course this goes on everywhere but I havent seen it like this. There really have been allot of arrest the past two months.

[anatolfz]

Re: Recipt:
Rappie pie or, in French, rappure. It's the most common Nova Scotian dish and I hate it>

[cherry]

we seem to have several meth labs taken down every week in my area...just today they arrested a 57 year old who had started a fire with his meth....

and just this week we had a older fellow who had been running BC bud down from Canada and they estimated that he had probably brought in more than 80 million dollars worth over the last few years..

and as far as the porn stuff....the cops and fbi are cracking down as best they can but it is an epidemic...but don't tell the libertarians that...they believe its all wonderful ....

If you are implying that perhaps they are looking at a porn connection,...well, there have been plenty of posters who have feared that....is that what you are implying?

also....it sounds like you might be in a little danger where you live...take care....and you are a hero for helping in any way in this case imo....

[varina davis]

Re: Recipt:

Thanks, I'll add it to my recipe collection.

[Devil_Anse]

Meth labs. Don't forget that name, Scaredkat--Richard Dean Miller. The one who looked like Ricci. Remember, I found a federal case on the web in which a Richard Dean Miller was defendant. (The case described the overturn of this Miller's conviction on a methamphetamine manufacture charge. The case was overturned on procedural grounds--IOW, nothing to do with new facts being found out.) I still don't know if it was the same Richard Dean Miller you mentioned, but the area of the country certainly did fit.

As for the kiddie porn, on this forum people did indeed notice that one of the defendants in that big international computer kid porn bust was a Utah photographer. Can't remember the man's name, but then someone here found the guy's name listed at a photography event, and in the list of younger photographers participating, there was a name that was the same as one of Elizabeth's cousins or young neighbors. Oh, wait, I think the young photographer listed was a Beesley.

Another poster here also mentioned that Hans case.

[scaredkat]

On the shoes they were smaller than mine but not by much so I stated that they are probably a 71/2 to 8 shoe.

I finally was shown the imprint of those shoes, but I had to give it back. They are keeping that very tight lipped thats why I was so definite on the shoes because I just knew something and then they gave in but still wonder what kind of shoe they are.
All I can say to people, is dont always believe what the press or especially the police say on the air, they dont quite tell you the truth because thats how they weed things out. As for where I was, the problem is sheriffs did come out and search, but they were not the ones on the actual case, so what would they really know?

I also have received some jolting news from another police officer that was on the ricci case which inturn involved him on the Elizabeth case. Some of it is his own opinion and some of it is fact.
his opinion- ricci didnt do it not involved at all with that case. but at first he was 85% sure he did.
fact--
ricci didnt take his jeep someone else did, yes they know who it was. (dont ask, I dont feel good about stating this right know.)
There is more than one person involved.
They are working with a psychic and the report is, well lets just say my phone rang.
They are looking very close to two people, (yeah go ahead and guess).
Ricci investigation is.. he was involved in something else and they are still working on this, there is someone else they are watching that has a meth lab and keeps leaving and coming back with mud all over his truck.
Someones alibi doesnt match up. (cant say his name either).

[cherry]

francom.....wasn't there a francom who was listed on the sexual registry and I thought I read somewhere that he was a photagrapher....I do not believe this Francom was directly related to LOis's family...but I am only going on what I remember from earlier posts

[cherry]

Kat....you are breaking hearts here with your news about Ricci.....

[scaredkat]

I think hes one in the same. He scares me and that other guy I told you about noname guy.

[scaredkat]

I will tell you this I havent written him off. I still suspect something there but not sure what, However the jeep was a part of it Im convince of that.

[Sherlock]

If one wants to know truth one must go to the source of truth, God. Not private interpretation.

Like I said, the bible is so simple you have to have someone help you misinterpret it. Do you read the bible daily? How often do you read through the entire bible? This is the only way you will ever know that you know the truth. The Apostle Paul said twice that even if an angel from heaven teach any gospel other that what you have heard from us, let him be accursed (anathema, eternally damned). You can't go by men's ideas or what you feel.

The book of Revelation states that man can not add to it. It does not say God won't. Also Revelation was written chronologically before 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John even though John was the author of all of them.

The book of Revelation is the culmination of all prophecy of all the books of the bible. The prophetic history of the church is outlined in Revelation 3 & 4. There is no hint that Jesus would reject his church and choose a group of polygamists in Utah to reveal his 'new' truth to. I must tell you honestly the things your 'prophets' declare would be laughable knowing your other 'ideas of men', like a 'temple' in the church age, having church leaders verify your tithing (how Nicolaitane), and this secrecy to the extent of not allowing parents to attend their own children's weddings because your big building is so holy. Classic trimmings. I am always amazed when people reject the truth the things they will believe.

I belive there are authorized teachers and that he still gives revelations to "powerful men".

Indeed, the men who are my pastors and teachers are the greatest bible scholars alive today, and they stand on the shoulders of the giants of history. Believe me, I would find humorous the revelations of your 'powerful men' with what I do know about your church.

Having said that though, I am not going to make the attempt to convince you! As another poster said to someone, I'll just agree to disagree. But thanks for your insight!

Nor do I have any delusion I can persuade you. But I do pray that you will see in the typology of Abraham, Isaac, and the servant, God would, as he said, provide Himself a sacrifice, and Jesus would step out of eternity and become that lamb of God on that same hill, 2000 years later, that takes away the sin of the world, then sit at God's right hand while the Holy Spirit (the unnamed servant) draws the Son a bride (Rebeccah) from a Gentile nation and give her gifts (of the Holy Spirit) to hear from God. Jesus did not get up and go to the Gentile nation and talk to another woman to help him out.

[varina davis]

I'm not sure where the Ralph Lauren story came from. I'm sure that the website is accurate.

Practically every news story written since June 5 has said Ralph Lauren. Why are YOU so sure the website is accurate?

[jandji]

later description of the shoes was "ralph lauren running shoes", "polo" is a brand name of ralph lauren.

[varina davis]

later description of the shoes was "ralph lauren running shoes", "polo" is a brand name of ralph lauren.

The point is, that Sandude says the official website says the shoes were Reeboks, and that he is sure the website is accurate.

[cherry]

you seem computer savy...could you post a pic and bio of this richard dean allen....thanks....

[cookiedough]

I doubt it means anything. The men I know wear either tan pants & polo shirts or suits. Rather boring, in terms of fashion, but not sinister.

[cookiedough]

It is a logical fallacy to disprove a generality with a specific instance.

What Devil Anse said is true, in general. Not true in the specific case of Westerfield.

[cherry]

"Someones alibi doesnt match up. (cant say his name either)."

no hints even....lol

an alibi would be from someone the cops interviewed....that could be hundreds of people ....but I guess we all have our favorite choices.