Van Dam Jury Update, Monday August 12th: Westerfield's Fate Lies In Mudd Instructions?

Court TV ^ | August 12, 2002 | Court TV

[FresnoDA]

Jury's time Jurors will resume deliberations Monday in the capital case of David Westerfield, who is accused of killing 7-year-old Danielle van Dam

DAY TWO: FRIDAY, AUG. 9, 2002
12 noon ET	Jury enters jury room.
2:30 p.m. ET	Jury goes home for the weekend.

DAY ONE: THURSDAY, AUG. 8, 2002
1:10 p.m. ET	Jury begins deliberating. After two months of testimony, the capital murder trial of David Westerfield is in the hands of the jurors, who began their deliberations following more than two days of closing arguments.
2:50 p.m.	Jury sends a note to the judge.
3:00 p.m.	Jury at lunch.
4:30 p.m.	Judge calls the lawyers but not the public or the press into the courtroom.
5:15 p.m.	Judge says jurors sent note asking to deliberate five days a week instead of having Friday off and he approved their request.
7:00 p.m.	Jury goes home for the day. Will return Friday morning.

[Rheo]

cause the first one didn't match? How much do get for the right answer?

A paid off home in Fl??

[rolling_stone]

I have nothing to do with unposted and there are several errors there that I saw....it is interesting, but even too tin foil for me. Need more than coincidence to be of real value IMO. Might be a good starting point for speculation followed by investigation, but not enough facts for me as is, JMHO.

It is IMO a good example how you can take some facts and point towards someone you want to, not necessarily the real perp.

[John Jamieson]

I also find it interesting that the DNA matched ribbone DNA, implying that the testing was done after the body was found and long after the SDPD started yelling about Danielle's blood in the MH.

[JudyB1938]

I can find the website. It's the survey at the website that I can't find.

[Yeti]

calling DW a "horn-dog". I believe she was crude and meant that DW was horney for women over 21.

I think you are right, I have heard the term more than once before. She meant that he was a bar-hoppin' carouser like his womanizin' daddy. O lord, that MAN ... does that make sense to you?

FWIW, I think she was manipulated, we weren't there for the interview. Wasn't someone's mom made a fool of in the last presidential election by, um, Connie Chung or someone like that?

The reporter just manipulates the person into thinking that the interview is all about them, and then goes to the editing room afterwards.

[Rheo]

And it was a 3rd party report....the mom gave an interview to someone who then told RR, IIRC.

[UCANSEE2]

"and told police he couldn't tell them because he was a SPY and it was top secret."

Oh no, that wouldn't have been a lie to police, would it? LE should have nailed and jailed his sorry butt on the spot for that one.

Of course. Just going 'over the top' late at night. I have to agree with Demsux on this one. It is more likely that there is more we don't know. That LE's may have found all kinds of things on his PC. They may have seen what appeared to be international links. That these may not have been 'spy' related, but INTERNATIONAL CHILD PORN RING related (see people arrested in CHILD PORN RING thread) is what concerns me. That this, if the case, was held back by MUDD would be a major concern.

Other than that, what kind of REASONABLE answer can anyone come up with for why the LE would ask that question?

[UCANSEE2]

Never mind. Saw your correction.

[UCANSEE2]

But it was an unusually strong print, right, Rheo?

An unusually strong print.

The bug guys had never seen a case (bug activity/lack of certain larvae, etc)

ALMOST LIKE things were not RIGHT. LIKE someone planted the PRINTS.

[John Jamieson]

The photographic evidence in this case:

A. Hundreds of photographs including aerial shots of houses, roads, trees, and vehicles.

B. Binders full of naked people.

C. No photograph of the DNA spot on the MH floor.

D. A useless photograph of the DNA stain on the jacket. (but a nice one of the holes)

E. A side by side comparison photo of orange fibers. The orange fibers match pretty good but one background is white and the other is very red/orange/pink.

A great collection!

[Krodg]

I missed that. Thanks.

[Rheo]

Looks rather silly when done in list form, doesn't it.

[UCANSEE2]

Lecaclia got 6 latents from the MH on 2/6 or 2/8...the 2 fingertip prints of Danielle's from the cabinet moulding...and Danielle L and Jennifers from the windows...she did not specify if outside or inside window.

Jeff Graham went to the MH on 4/17 as he noticed the horizontal cabinet had not been dusted and he wanted to check for the earring back, on a hunch.

He then pulled 16 latents from various surfaces....thereby ruining the original theory starter that DW wiped down the MH.

Then why do I keep seeing that Graham is the one that took 2 lifts of Danielle's prints, and remarked how STRONG they were? Were these from a different area than the one mentioned by you "fingertip prints from cabinet moulding"?

BTW, Thank you so much for being a wonderful source of information.

[UCANSEE2]

Seems to me like Soriano is the 'inside guy'. The one they put on when they want evidence faked or distorted or misinterpreted. His BS story about Polaroids, like you stated so well, highly suspect.

[the-gooroo]

Maybe Damon had all sorts of cameras, listening devices, microphones, sorts of things someone (a spy or FBI dude) would use for surveillance. Things that could be hidden so someone might not know know they were being filmed. He obviously lied and didn't want to admit that he's a pervert and the stuff was used for video's he sold on the internet.

[Rheo]

Graham commented on the strong lifts after 2 times...he only went to the MH on 4/17.....he must have taken a 2nd lift as a CYA due to the first techs being so lazy....but LeAlcala, IIRC, took the 1st lift.

[Yeti]

I am not trying to grill you, Just want to find out the 'real' info.

OK, the print was found on the first dusting. There could be all sorts of problems with it. The first problem I notice is that they claimed not to have a Danielle print with which to compare at that time, but they stopped dusting the MH when they found this print. So how did they know it was Danielle's? Why didn't they dust on and get all the prints?

Then the guy returns, supposedly to be more thorough(he had a hunch, no doubt). Thing is, by the time he returns, they have rehydrated Danielle's hand. So did anyone outside LE make some record of the print they found the first time? Could he have planted a print from the rehydrated hand where the original(in this theory,non-matching) print was? Why did he have time to go get some more prints for the heck of it, but not have time to compare unIDed prints from the Van Dam home? etc...

In a more direct respose to our convo: the print was supposedly discovered long before the body.

[pinz-n-needlez]

They couldn't find her. Sounds like they didn't settly exactly what had happened to her yet.

They, VD's, wouldn't have known that DW was out and about in his motorhome until later in the afternoon, after he came back.

Wonder who decided on the scenario kidnapping, VDs, the pr folks or LE, and when.

[Rheo]

I like Dorie Savage for the "inside guy"...compare her PH and trial testimony...something not right there.

[Faith-Hope]

Thanks, I knew I heard somewhere that DW was busy cleaning his MH. There was so much said on TV those first few days and most has been proven untrue.