Mysterious Suburban Chicago Crop Circles

NBC 5 Chicago ^ | 7/26/02 | NBC 5 Chicago

[balrog666]

Neither you or anyone else has demonstrated a crop circle formation made by "hoaxsters" that can duplicate the precision, symmetry, and geometric correctness of an authentic formation.

What? Are you a complete idiot? We have 3 teams in the United Kingdom advertising their "crop circles" and a team of mathematics students advertising in Denmark. How much proof do you need?

[snip]... why don't you take a peek at the link below..Crop Circle Forming

Obviously, you don't recall that I've already seen that time-lapse-photography. Why don't you re-read the thread and quit repeating yourself.

Given that NONE of the groups can make the REAL formations, I see no reason to suppose that they did ANY of those which are considered AUTHENTIC. I wouldn't necessarily say that "little green men" made them though either. They don't have to be green, little, or even men. Additionally, that which is responsible for the formations need not be from another place, but might instead be from another TIME.

*You* are the only one claiming those groups or their competitors didn't make them. How stupid can you be?

Why don't you enlighten all of us as to how YOU would do it balrog? I'd really like to hear your "idea"...

You haven't said how these mythical radiation measurements were taken yet. Was it with simple magnetometers? Do you even know what they really measure? If so, you can figure it out.

Again, explain exactly HOW YOU would do it...

Read the real makers reports. Hire them and film it for your own amusement. Hire general_re (if you can afford him) and he'll show you.

And I bet you haven't personally examined the molecular structure of DNA, but you do know that it's a double helix molecule, right? Or do you think that scientists simply hoaxed that?

I haven't verified the precise orbit of Pluto either but enough people have and have documented it that I don't need to.

I just wanted to make sure that you got it STRAIGHT, as you had been on an "anal probe" kick for awhile...

Well, if you could get your head out of your ass, you might learn something.

[PatrickHenry]

I haven't spent any time trying to figure out how to make a crop circle, and I haven't read the available pamphlets on the subject, but I don't think it's terribly difficult:

1. Get a couple of friends, some backpacks, some ropes, and some planks. And stilts. And beer.
2. Go out into the field on stilts, to avoid leaving an obvious trail.
3. Plant a stake in the ground, tie a rope to it, and then extend the rope its full length.
4. Use your planks as "snowshoes" and hold onto the rope. Walk a complete circle around the stake.
5. Take another rope, twice as long as the "radius" rope.
6. Two guys use that rope to make a diameter of the circle.
7. Use the plank snowshoes to stomp off the diameter.
8. Walk a measured distance around the circumfrence and stomp off another diameter.
8a. You can be precise laying out the diamters by using a compass rose at the center stake.
9. Do that again. And again. And again.
10. Now you have a circle and several neat diameters.
11. Shorten the "radius" rope and make an inner circle.

That's complex enough for the first attempt. The whole thing should take a couple of hours. Now get back on your stilts and head out of the field and onto the road, where your car is waiting. End of adventure.

[Orual]

Please explain heightened radiation etc. around crop circles.

After an exhaustive search, I found the following explanation which may answer your question.

"Go to a location containing a crop circle and think this phrase: "I shall resist and fight the omnipresent extraterrestrial nightmare for the freedom of our planet." Now be alert! Very soon, you should be able to observe an alien, seemingly engaged in innocent activity, spying on you. It may be a jogger in the street, a friendly neighbor, a beautiful woman, but rest assured: you are being watched.

You must take these simple steps to protect yourself from the radioactive Proteus devices planted under the crop circles:

1. Construct protective headgear- purchase a roll of aluminum foil (but not from the alien-owned "Wal-Mart") and line the inside of a hat with a double layer. Wear this at all times! This seemingly crude fashion statement blocks the aliens' Proteus waves.

2. After your thoughts have been protected, carefully destroy the crop circle. Obtain a large shovel or hoe, and destroy it. Remove the Proteus device you will find underneath. Smash it to bits.

3. Place the debris in the microwave, and set it on "high" for ten minutes. Disregard any smoke and/or flames that may shoot from the microwave. After all, isn't it worth a microwave to be sure you have eradicated the alien presence from the earth?

4. Place the melted debris inside a plastic baggy, and wrap the baggy in three layers of aluminum foil. Wait until midnight, then take the remains outside city limits. Bury them in a hole six feet deep beside the highway.

However, in some cases, these steps may not be enough- the aliens could have planted multiple radioactive Proteus devices. If you have reason to suspect that the aliens have other Proteus devices secreted in the field, you have only one option: burn it down. Only once the Proteus-infested field is reduced to smoldering rubble will you again feel the peace of knowing that your thoughts are truly your own."

[dennisw]

How come the "circlemakers" formations suck compared to the real thing? Here is one by the "circlejerkers" who have a very slick website by the way. So they are graphically sophisticated but their crop circles are obvious fakes.

 

 

Take a look see below. Friggin' pathetic!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now here's the real thing! Two photos of it.  ---->>

 

 

 

[discostu]

Thanks for proving my point. See how demonstrably little faith you have in the human race. The flawed one is the only one you'll accept as being made by humans, because humans are no good. You know we made the space shuttle, that's got more parts than ANY crop circle ever made and is symetrical. How about the Empire State Building? You know that went up in a year, is also more complex than any crop circle and is symetrical. You really should have a little more faith in human kind, we can do some pretty cool stuff when we feel like it.

[FormerLurker]

Really all that numbers crap doesn't mean much. Mostly they're building a substitute religion off of a series of coincidences (many of which are pretty forced, like how the Fibonacci sting "relates" to Phi).

Are you saying that modern Math and Science is a "religion"? And are you saying that the Fibonacci sequence (not sting as you incorrectly called it), DOESN'T relate to Phi? In fact, do you even know what Fibonacci numbers ARE?

Then they gave it a cool name and insist that "understanding" of it is a sign of an advanced society (even though human civiliation moved past it's fascination with "sacred geometry" before the birth of Christ) and would therefore be the "perfect" way for an alien civilization to communicate with us (as opposed to hacking into the Superbowl feed and just saying "hi" or something indisputable like that).

Are you saying that the Golden Ratio is a "cult name", and that it isn't found everywhere in Nature?

As you watch these things you'll notice certain very important assumption on the part of the UFOnauts: 1 - human society has apparently progressed backwards; all of the important clues for "communicating" with our "alien friends" is stuff from Ancient Egypt and similar societies.

Homo sapiens have been here for over a MILLION years. We have rougly 6000 years of recorded history. What happened the other 494,000 years I wonder...

Discovery of an Ancient 3D "Relief Map" of the Ural Region. Discovered in China!

Apparently all these buildings and cars and CDs and books and the internet are all signs of a great leap backwards.

You have no idea of what might have been here before, or that which may still exist TODAY.

2 - humans are shmucks. You'll notice that a lot of the arguement for which circles are "hoaxes" and which ones are "authentic" revolve around complexity and symetry. Apparently humans are incapable of making complex geometric patterns that are symetrical, which mean of course that the aliens are painting the football fields of America.

Funny how NONE of the hoaxsters have been able to make ONE perfect formation...

We won't even get into how in the world we managed to build skyscrapers, clearly it's all a lie.

Well we didn't do it with planks and ropes like some of these idiots like to proclaim as their "crop circle forming" technique.

3 - all those who doubt are fools. Anyone that thinks any of this is at all strange, silly, or downright unbelievable simply REFUSES TO UNDERSTAND.

Not all, but definitely some..

The aliens are trying to help us. Apparently we eat too much grain.

Not one post I've written said anything of the sort. Perhaps you've DRINKEN too much grain...

[dennisw]

Sorry bub but your faux utopianism doesn't fly with me. Surely you can see which crop formation is superior. HINT: It's not the one done by the "circlemakers" with their very nice website.

If only they could carve out crop formations that are as well done as their graphically engaging website.

[balrog666]

As for the picture, it appears to show a Nessie swimming in front of the camera underwater. Nobody has stepped up to say the picture is a blow-up dinosaur or something.

As it happens, I readily admit the possibility of lake monsters although Nessie is getting rather long in the tooth. But that does not make me a "believer". I am very skeptical by nature and suspect most sightings are misidentifications of other large creatures (but I would be tickled pink to be wrong on this one). I think few people can go through life both without being fooled at least once and without encountering something they cannot explain.

On crop circles, I see no other explanations worth considering. And clearly, the more complex they are, the less likely is a natural explanation other than mankind. And, so I really do think that art is the point.

[FormerLurker]

Nobody has actually "seen" crop circles form in minutes.

Bzzt! Take a peek at post #456..

The best we've had is somebody fly over an area once and not notice anything, then fly over a bit later and notice.

Oh, you mean the one that showed up in 45 MINUTES right next to a BUSY HIGHWAY in the DAYTIME?

[discostu]

But YOU'RE the one insisting the two were made by different races. I think the top one was made by guys who drank too much before going out (and still did a pretty good job) and the bottom one was done by real pros who know their crap. Nothing "utopian" about anything I said. You do realize that humans build big symetrical buildings that are far more complicated than an crop circle can possibly be don't you? That's not a utopia, that's the facts.

[discostu]

Nothing to say to this post except.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Really you guys should stop and listen to yourselves. I'm begining to understand why you think humans are so stupid. Hint, not everybody is like you, many of us can dress ourselves.

[dennisw]

 

 

Funny how NONE of the hoaxsters have been able to make ONE perfect formation...

Here's their best effort. I am impressed but this is not nearly as good as the real thing

 

DONE BY HOAXERS

NOT DONE BY HOAXERS

[balrog666]

I have to admit that I don't see any significant difference bewteen those two crop circles. Half a dozen men could generate either in a few hours. Maybe neatness counts for the professionals or just when they're being paid.

[discostu]

I don't think you've ever driven through farmland. That is by no means "right next to". I count at least 2 18-wheeler lengths possibly more given the angle of the picture. Also looks like the crop is uphill from the highway. We have to good scale to judge the height of the crop itself. Depending on the height change from highway to crop and the hieght of the crop you could hold a freaking concert in that circle and the people on the road wouldn't see it.

[FormerLurker]

What? Are you a complete idiot?

No, but it appears that YOU are on the other hand..

We have 3 teams in the United Kingdom advertising their "crop circles" and a team of mathematics students advertising in Denmark. How much proof do you need?

And just WHO is this WE you mention? Is that an admission that YOU are affiliated with a group of people that claim to be able hoax crop circles? A little Freudian (or should that be FRAUDIAN) slip? Psst. Their (or is it YOUR)circles are sloppy and are obviously hoaxes. Any examples of their (or your) "finer" work? Please be ready to PROVE that they (or you) actually did it, preferrably with video tape (or streaming video)

Obviously, you don't recall that I've already seen that time-lapse-photography. Why don't you re-read the thread and quit repeating yourself.

You might have CLAIMED that, but you surely didn't PROVE it. Don't be so pompous in your claims, as you surely haven't demomstrated any ability to PROVE anything here..

*You* are the only one claiming those groups or their competitors didn't make them. How stupid can you be?

Obviously *you* have a reading comprehension problem, as *I* am not the only one here saying that SOME circles HAVEN'T been created by hoaxsters. Or perhaps you don't know how to click on a hypertext link? Hypertext, you know, that funny blue text with a line under it. You move your mouse over it, and click on the mouse button. You do have a mouse, don't you?

You haven't said how these mythical radiation measurements were taken yet. Was it with simple magnetometers?

For one, the measurements AREN'T mythical. And yes, they were made with magnetometers I believe...

Do you even know what they really measure? If so, you can figure it out.

Of course I know what they measure. And no, I want YOU to tell me how YOU would fake the readings..

Read the real makers reports. Hire them and film it for your own amusement. Hire general_re (if you can afford him) and he'll show you.

Why don't YOU tell us? Is it that you can't, or that you would rather SELL the info to the gullible?

I haven't verified the precise orbit of Pluto either but enough people have and have documented it that I don't need to.

So you DO admit that there is more to human understanding than you may have personally experienced or validated?

Well, if you could get your head out of your ass, you might learn something.

The only person in that position within our immediate discussion is you, although I'd venture to say that even if you pulled your head out, it wouldn't change much...

[FormerLurker]

Here's their best effort. I am impressed but this is not nearly as good as the real thing

They must have spent some time on that one, but it IS obvious that it is a fake.

An authenic one that I've found is a double Golden Spiral formation, shown below. I'd like to see someone fake that...

[FormerLurker]

how come they never make squares?

[FormerLurker]

Thanks for proving my point. See how demonstrably little faith you have in the human race. The flawed one is the only one you'll accept as being made by humans, because humans are no good.

You can't be serious. Are you saying that the formation formed by the hoaxsters is symmetrical and geometrically precise and correct? This only demonstrates that it was hoaxed, as NOT ONE TEAM OF HOAXSTERS HAVE EVER BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS.

Are you trying to say that this proves that humans are inferior to those who are forming the REAL circles? Who knows if they AREN'T in fact HUMAN, but from a different place or TIME?

You know we made the space shuttle, that's got more parts than ANY crop circle ever made and is symetrical. How about the Empire State Building?

They didn't make it with planks and ropes... as your circlemaker friends would probably claim. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't claimed that they HAVE built the Empire State building in that way..

You know that went up in a year, is also more complex than any crop circle and is symetrical. You really should have a little more faith in human kind, we can do some pretty cool stuff when we feel like it.

With cranes and other heavy equipment we can do marvels alright. If you can find me a crop circle formation that has been documented on film as being made by hoaxsters, and if it is symmetrical, geometrically aligned and correct, then maybe I'll concede that it can be done. But then again, there are certain other characteristics that need to be duplicated, such as the celluar changes, the crops being bent at 90 degrees but not broken, the weaving of the crops, etc..

[discostu]

What I'm saying is that by using quality as your definition of proof you entire arguement is built on an assumption of human incompetence. By saying "look at this crappy one obviously made by humans, and this good one obviously not made by humans" you're not proving anything about the circles, all you're proving is your own bias.