Posted on 06/16/2002 5:32:24 AM PDT by magnum opus dejure
Well, it's been 4 years since I first found Free Republic. I have always felt like I belonged here and have really enjoyed the banter back and forth between us members. I am afraid all this is now over. I am really suprised and shocked at it's suddenness. Before I leave I want to thank a freeper from Michigan who sent me a DVD player last year to give to my kids for Christmas. You reaffirmed my faith in humanity.
I know this thread will be deleted before many people get to read it, but I just can't go without saying a final word. Every since 911 the 'vibe' here at FR has been decidedly hostile. I guess it was a matter of time before the newbie moderator got around to weeding me out for my sometimes unpopular views. So I join the ranks of A+Bert and so many others who gave FR a interesting flavor. I will miss coming here 20 times a day and keeping up on things. But without posting priviledges there is just no point. I must go find another conservative group to try to be a part of.
In the future, when a freeper who has been a loyal member since August 1998 crosses the line, how about a note instead of banning? Would that have been too much? I may have gotten out of line, how is beyond me, but if such a tresspass would have been pointed out I would gladly have refrained from doing so again. It is just not right to just ban an account with no explaination. Especially when the freeper has been here 4 years. I have no idea what I am going to do with my days now that I no longer have FR. Well, I guess I have said my part. It is a sad day when one has to leave family and friends. I feel like some of you were just that. But apparently I am no longer wanted around here. I bid my good day to you all and hope that karma pays it's respects to those who do injustice.
Yes,on this he does. And it says nothing favorable about you that you don't. You are a mere party hack,willing to carry any water given you,as long as its' Republican water. The joke is on you,though. There is no longer any such animal as a Republican. You are now a apologist for the stealth left.
Boloney. You called us "Bush cheerleaders" first, implying we don't think about the issues, just just blindly follow the leaders like 1939 Germans. And then you pressed the abuse button after starting the flame war which included 60 posts of spam that had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. I guess you can dish it out but can't take it. Get over yourself.
Next he has sacrificed my safety by restricting my Second Amendment right to carry a firearm. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Bush or anyone else the right to prevent me from carrying a firearm anywhere. And I concede the right of the carriers to refuse to sell me a ticket if I insist on boarding with a firearm.
Apart from the defense of the country, Bush's domestic agenda is pure politics to lure the left at the expense of the conservative agenda. And he is doing this with the premeditated notion that conservatives have no where else to go except the Republican Party and himself. He feels completely liberated to court the left along with the rest of the Republicans in Congress who are acting more like Democrats every passing day.
I believe that our freedoms and our Constitutional guarantees are in grave danger. I believe that danger originated with the Democratic Party. But I believe the power and corruption that goes with remaining in Washington with the reigns of power longer than six to eight years is so narcotizing and corrupting that Republicans now pose as grave a threat as Democrats. Worse, some Republicans believe that they can only effect change if they themselves remain in office. This group becomes delusional believing that the country is moving left and that they can remain in office only by adopting the Democrat's agenda to keep the Democrats out of power. At least they feel they can slow the rate of drift to the left.
I think our government needs radical surgery with a complete change of leadership. I would hope that Constitutional conservatives would replace those currently in office from both parties. I do not see this change coming from within either party. I think there are only two ways to bring it about. Either a new party must rise to power or conservatives must take control of an existing party. I think it will take too long to build a new party to sufficient strength without a charismatic candidate or a major issue where both parties take the wrong side in the eyes of the American people. I don't see such a candidate at the moment and issues like that are very rare.
That leaves conservatives taking control of an existing party. Clearly the Republican party is the logical choice. But taking control from the powers that be is impossible unless the party were to suffer a massive defeat at the polls in an election. This fall presents a golden opportunity. With Bush in power, there would be some check on a Democratic Congress. I submit that this fall's congressional elections are a golden opportunity for conservatives to convince Republicans where their agenda must be in order to be elected. By staying home and letting Democrats take control of Congress this fall, we can show Republicans that they only win when they advocate conservative values and enact a conservative agenda. I think the Republicans have to lose power before conservatives can come to power. Conservatives can take control of the Republican Party by first defeating the existing powers that be and replacing them with genuine conservative candidates in the 2004 election. If Bush doesn't get on board, he should be defeated by a conservative in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2004 election. The audience monitoring FreeRepublic grows substantially as we approach election times. Our political power and political captial will grow if we can demonstrate results.
I know this goes against the natural urge of many, and in particular against the grain of many on this site. My father thinks this insane. But the reality is, we have a very short window in which we may be able to turn the country around before it goes off the financial cliff into the abyss of the unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security. The United States is now very close to being a true democracy rather than the republic that we were and should be again. We are on track toward a financial apocalypse. We have been consuming our industrial capital for a decade accumulating debt rather than investment capital. No individual, business, or nation has ever borrowed or inflated its way into prosperity. We face either bankruptcy default or massive inflation or both sequentially.
Someone has to provide the leadership and the forum for discussion to enact such a bold plan. Someone has to provide the forum for debate to convince those who don't believe or can't see. Since this is not going to start within the Republican Party, I think that FreeRepublic is the perfect place for this debate to take place. I have an enormous problem with censorship. And while I hate the idea of letting simplistic thought be aired on serious discussion threads, I do think there should be a place for both and perhaps they should be separated. Certainly the discussion could proceed more quickly and orderly without distraction, but how are we to know what the "uninformed or unenlightened" are thinking and why. Even the deliberate sabotage of threads may offer some clues as to how to win the debate or carry the agenda.
I have engaged in a lot of personal attacks on FreeRepublic. I had hoped to silence or intimidate the weak. Instead I think added to the confusion and the length of threads but not to the informative nature that I really seek. In the future, I may still engage in personal attacks but I will try to give more thought to advancing an agenda.
I hope FreeRepublic will debate the concept of staying home or voting only for real conservative candidates this fall. Blindly voting Republican is, I think, not in our own best interests. I truly believe we must cause the Republicans to lose in order to win real political power that can move the country back toward the Constitution. I still believe most Americans are basically conservative. I think many have been misled by the media and the press. And in some cases we have clearly been misled by our own leaders. If they don't pay the price and if our leaders do not get the correct message, even the little bit of the US that is left is doomed. We are not betraying our country or our people. Our Country and our people have abandoned the Constitution and our freedoms that made us great. Please, we must return to them and quickly. There is no time for incrementalism. If we do not act correctly, quickly and decisively, it will not matter what we do. It will be too late.
So what? I can think of 4 or 5 pretty big things you and he agree on,too. It means nothing unless you look at the core beliefs.
You both believe that Ashcroft is a Nazi,
No,I think he is a gutless punk who has never met a character trait he wasn't ready to flush down the toilet if his party masters requested it.
you both believe Bush is just a dumb toady,
No,Bubba-2 is neither dumb OR a toady. His blind followers are. He is a intelligent man who knows exactly what he is doing.
you both believe that Bush is a sellout to the globalists,
Wrong again. Bubba-2 IS a globalist. So is his daddy. This is only a secret to their cult followers. BTW,so is Ramsey Clark,so you,he,and Bubba-2 are a threesome on this.
you both believe Bush is owned by corporate interests such as big oil,
Now why would anyone suspect the Bush family is connected to corporate interests and oil,big or otherwise? His family is in the oil business for a hobby,not to make any money. As for Prescott Bush,he really ain't in bed with the Chinese at all. He's just a tourist who lives there because he likes the music and nightlife.
and you both think there is no difference between the Republican and Democrat parties.
They are now the same party,and you have to be delusional to believe otherwise.
And since these topics are among the topics you post about the most here, I think
Here is where you REALLY start to go wrong. You don't think. You are incapable of independent thought. You follow party doctrine.
it is safe to say that your posting persona would be one that Ramsey Clark would approve of, quite a bit.
IF that were true,it would only mean that Ramsey Clark has seen the error of his ways,and is now a conservative. Which means he would be to the right of YOU.
Can't believe this thread is still running
Thanks.
Amen!
How did Reagan win two landslide elections? Was he an upfront conservative that told the American people and the left exactly what he intended to do? Did the electorate support him and his policies?
Now look at every Congressional election since 1932. Republicans won an epic election in 1994, but never before or since. They won on the promise of a solid conservative agenda in the form of the clearly stated conservative goals of the Contract with America. Republicans have lost ground in every election since as they have progressively moved farther from the conservative agenda.
Now look at the recent presidential elections again. Clinton beat Bush I because he broke the pledge, "Read my lips, no new taxes." Clinton was politically virtually on the ropes in 1996, but he beat the luke-warm conservative (half-baked liberal) Dole. In particular look at the last election. Bush II is president, but he lost the popular vote to Gore. As unthinkable as it may seem, more voting Americans preferred Gore to Bush. When Americans have been presented clear conservative choices, conservatives come out and vote. And the conservative candidates or issues win decisively. I can't help but believe even moderates can see the difference and with a clear choice, they choose correctly. But when the candidates are blurred, conservatives tend to stay home and moderates have difficulty in making the right choices for the right reasons. It is easy in that setting for the media and the press to turn the moderates to the Democrat.
And make no mistake, I am sixty years old and there is no such thing as a moderate or conservative Democrat. Any exceptions are rare and I would suggest they should be looked at with skepticism and scrutiny. When the choice is for luke warm socialist versus the real thing, voters generally choose the Democrat.
Our views on advancing the conservative agenda are poles apart. Logic says that we both are not correct. For all our sakes, I hope you are right, because if I am the one who is right, we are all going to pay a horrible toll. If I am wrong about Bush and he is a genuine conservative that can and will stand strong against the Democrats, then I will have delayed the conservative agenda by two years. But if I am the one who is right, then leaving the existing Republicans in power in November will spell the end of the United States. What little freedom we still enjoy will continue to erode and socialism will continue its ascent into insolvency and hyper-inflation.
This thread has the potential to become among the more important threads that have appeared on FreeRepublic. History can come from free open discussion and decision making. FreeRepublic can influence Republican thinking regardless of whether it supports or walks away from the Republicans in the fall. And it can influence Republican thinking regardless of whether Republicans win or lose in the fall. Free open discussion of ideas are the foundation of our Republic and our freedoms. I would invite all Freepers to participate in this thread and state your thoughts. I sincerely believe our Country, our freedoms, our heritage and our way of life are at stake. We have been losing. Even when we have won some victories, we have not turned our ship of state from it descent into socialism. Soon the descent into socialism will be both irreversible and a financial disaster that will make salvage of even the remnants difficult.
You are free to check into my postings here, and see for yourself if I am a "prolific poster". What a ridiculous comment. I'm certain you're capable of better than that; perhaps someday you'll recognize it as well.
That is not a personal attack...
Yes it is, it implies stupidity, like I said.
Now, if you want to see what abuse truly is, I could reprint the table from that article that shows the true personal attacks launched by your clique.
As long as you include your insults, with it, including the "cheerleader" ones.
If you want, why not ask Jim Robinson or the moderator for permission for me to reprint that table.
Why? I remember what was said on both sides, and I remember it was kicked off by the "cheerleader" insult. And anyway, it was the spam that mostly did you in, not the trading of insults.
Out of respect to Mr. Robinson and the moderator, I will not do that unless they give permission. Oh, yes, I would love to reprint it again to show those launching the personal attacks, but again, out of respect to the owners of the forum, I will not since the "attackors" received a wink and a nod and the "attackee" was suspended.
For spamming and not knocking it off, after being told to "knock it off" by the moderator.
That is a lie. You will never that quote from me on FR. Stop lying.
I didn't quote you, I said you "implied" that. Read my post # 1302.
That is a lie. Up until that point, my policy, as stated in that thread, was to never hit the abuse button.
Well you did there. You pinged the moderator with your silly insult table.
Every last one of those posts included one specific spending item by President Bush. That is not spam.
The thread was not about spending and was deleted for your spam. You might want to reconsider was constitututes spam here.
Speaking of knocking it off, I'm not going to answer any more of your posts on this thread if they're going to be like the one I'm replying to now. I'd think a 2 week suspension would have opened your eyes a little, but you come back to reopen old wounds. It looks like you may be going for another suspension and I don't want you to take me with you.
This is where we disagree. I don't think the Republicans have ever won in sufficient numbers to give them a decisive majority except for the one time in 1994 when they presented the voters a clear choice with the Contract with America. With the exception of that lone election, Democrats have either won or gained seats in every other election. If FreeRepublic starts now on an agenda to show Republicans that we are going to abandon them this fall unless they give us a real conservative agenda, ie. another Contract with America. I say to them, "Prove to us that you are worthy of our support." FreeRepublic has the power through our discussions on this forum to move the Republicans to a position worthy of support.
Both parties monitor this forum. Let's use our forum for effect. Make the forum work for us and the country. We can set the electoral agenda. Open your eyes; we impeached a President. Surely we can sway an election.
For the most part polticians are merely prostitutes in disguise. They will give the John what they think he wants. If we make our message clear, they'll deliver. And if they think they can take us for granted, we will always be bridesmaids, and never brides.
I started lurking here occasionally about 2 months ago, mostly because of freepers who freepmail me, and 2Jedismom has me on her homeschool ping list. How are your children? Still homeschooled?
My two just completed their 7th and 9th grade year, in distance learning classical education. They love it and have no desire to go to school. We did talk about private school, as they are older and in, or soon going into high school, but they did not want it.
Check your freepmail; I'll send you a message.
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