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To: Jim Robinson
Don't confuse Bush's handling of the war with his policies on preventing domestic terrorism. I like the way he is prosecuting the war. But his domestic agenda for preventing terrorism is awful. First, it is primarily oriented at being politically correct to win votes from minorities. And it does this by sacrificing the security of our borders which indirectly raises the risks of new successful attacks. And it ignores the realities of past immigration mistakes that have allowed the terrorists to enter the country in the first place.

Next he has sacrificed my safety by restricting my Second Amendment right to carry a firearm. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives Bush or anyone else the right to prevent me from carrying a firearm anywhere. And I concede the right of the carriers to refuse to sell me a ticket if I insist on boarding with a firearm.

Apart from the defense of the country, Bush's domestic agenda is pure politics to lure the left at the expense of the conservative agenda. And he is doing this with the premeditated notion that conservatives have no where else to go except the Republican Party and himself. He feels completely liberated to court the left along with the rest of the Republicans in Congress who are acting more like Democrats every passing day.

I believe that our freedoms and our Constitutional guarantees are in grave danger. I believe that danger originated with the Democratic Party. But I believe the power and corruption that goes with remaining in Washington with the reigns of power longer than six to eight years is so narcotizing and corrupting that Republicans now pose as grave a threat as Democrats. Worse, some Republicans believe that they can only effect change if they themselves remain in office. This group becomes delusional believing that the country is moving left and that they can remain in office only by adopting the Democrat's agenda to keep the Democrats out of power. At least they feel they can slow the rate of drift to the left.

I think our government needs radical surgery with a complete change of leadership. I would hope that Constitutional conservatives would replace those currently in office from both parties. I do not see this change coming from within either party. I think there are only two ways to bring it about. Either a new party must rise to power or conservatives must take control of an existing party. I think it will take too long to build a new party to sufficient strength without a charismatic candidate or a major issue where both parties take the wrong side in the eyes of the American people. I don't see such a candidate at the moment and issues like that are very rare.

That leaves conservatives taking control of an existing party. Clearly the Republican party is the logical choice. But taking control from the powers that be is impossible unless the party were to suffer a massive defeat at the polls in an election. This fall presents a golden opportunity. With Bush in power, there would be some check on a Democratic Congress. I submit that this fall's congressional elections are a golden opportunity for conservatives to convince Republicans where their agenda must be in order to be elected. By staying home and letting Democrats take control of Congress this fall, we can show Republicans that they only win when they advocate conservative values and enact a conservative agenda. I think the Republicans have to lose power before conservatives can come to power. Conservatives can take control of the Republican Party by first defeating the existing powers that be and replacing them with genuine conservative candidates in the 2004 election. If Bush doesn't get on board, he should be defeated by a conservative in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2004 election. The audience monitoring FreeRepublic grows substantially as we approach election times. Our political power and political captial will grow if we can demonstrate results.

I know this goes against the natural urge of many, and in particular against the grain of many on this site. My father thinks this insane. But the reality is, we have a very short window in which we may be able to turn the country around before it goes off the financial cliff into the abyss of the unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security. The United States is now very close to being a true democracy rather than the republic that we were and should be again. We are on track toward a financial apocalypse. We have been consuming our industrial capital for a decade accumulating debt rather than investment capital. No individual, business, or nation has ever borrowed or inflated its way into prosperity. We face either bankruptcy default or massive inflation or both sequentially.

Someone has to provide the leadership and the forum for discussion to enact such a bold plan. Someone has to provide the forum for debate to convince those who don't believe or can't see. Since this is not going to start within the Republican Party, I think that FreeRepublic is the perfect place for this debate to take place. I have an enormous problem with censorship. And while I hate the idea of letting simplistic thought be aired on serious discussion threads, I do think there should be a place for both and perhaps they should be separated. Certainly the discussion could proceed more quickly and orderly without distraction, but how are we to know what the "uninformed or unenlightened" are thinking and why. Even the deliberate sabotage of threads may offer some clues as to how to win the debate or carry the agenda.

I have engaged in a lot of personal attacks on FreeRepublic. I had hoped to silence or intimidate the weak. Instead I think added to the confusion and the length of threads but not to the informative nature that I really seek. In the future, I may still engage in personal attacks but I will try to give more thought to advancing an agenda.

I hope FreeRepublic will debate the concept of staying home or voting only for real conservative candidates this fall. Blindly voting Republican is, I think, not in our own best interests. I truly believe we must cause the Republicans to lose in order to win real political power that can move the country back toward the Constitution. I still believe most Americans are basically conservative. I think many have been misled by the media and the press. And in some cases we have clearly been misled by our own leaders. If they don't pay the price and if our leaders do not get the correct message, even the little bit of the US that is left is doomed. We are not betraying our country or our people. Our Country and our people have abandoned the Constitution and our freedoms that made us great. Please, we must return to them and quickly. There is no time for incrementalism. If we do not act correctly, quickly and decisively, it will not matter what we do. It will be too late.

1,303 posted on 06/17/2002 3:31:14 PM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: steve50; JohnGalt; fporretto; George Frm Br00klyn Park; tacticalogic; VoodooEconomist; Wolfe...
Ping!
1,304 posted on 06/17/2002 3:33:12 PM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: B. A. Conservative
Sorry, but I believe I have opposite goals to yours. I will encourage all conservatives to go to the polls and vote out the Democrats. That is the only conceiveable way of reducing liberalism in governemnt. Your way will simply allow the Democrats to maintain their hold on power and the government will continue moving left.
1,306 posted on 06/17/2002 3:54:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: B. A. Conservative
I gave up on the Republicans quite some time ago but bought into the slower move to the left concept, so I have continued voting for them. I can no longer justify it. My vote will only go to a true conservative in the future.

Can't believe this thread is still running

1,307 posted on 06/17/2002 4:28:14 PM PDT by steve50
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To: B. A. Conservative
Very well said. -- I think you should repost it as a separate thread, along with JR's reply, -- on the main forum. - This subject needs open debate.

Thanks.

1,309 posted on 06/17/2002 4:34:01 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: B. A. Conservative
Good post. I very much agree.
1,335 posted on 06/17/2002 10:56:57 PM PDT by Tauzero
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To: B. A. Conservative; Jim Robinson
I have engaged in a lot of personal attacks on FreeRepublic. I had hoped to silence or intimidate the weak. Instead I think added to the confusion and the length of threads but not to the informative nature that I really seek. In the future, I may still engage in personal attacks but I will try to give more thought to advancing an agenda.

Wow, nothing like an in-your-face post telling us exactly what your purpose is.

1,365 posted on 06/18/2002 9:43:29 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: B. A. Conservative
That leaves conservatives taking control of an existing party. Clearly the Republican party is the logical choice. But taking control from the powers that be is impossible unless the party were to suffer a massive defeat at the polls in an election. This fall presents a golden opportunity.
But then there is your profile:
The Democratic Party is hopelessly corrupt because it is based on a corrupt principle. No man has the right to take the property of another man without his permission even to give it to some else who needs it. No man can be empowered by government to do what he cannot do for himself. Democrats maybe our ally in the war on terrorism, but the Democrats remain the enemy of freedom just as the terrorists and the Communist party, the Democrats’ first cousins, are the enemies of freedom. America will never be safe as long as a single Democrat holds elected public office.
Bipolar?
1,375 posted on 06/18/2002 10:44:06 AM PDT by Dales
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To: B. A. Conservative
But the reality is, we have a very short window in which we may be able to turn the country around before it goes off the financial cliff into the abyss of the unfunded liabilities of Medicare and Social Security. The United States is now very close to being a true democracy rather than the republic that we were and should be again. We are on track toward a financial apocalypse. We have been consuming our industrial capital for a decade accumulating debt rather than investment capital. No individual, business, or nation has ever borrowed or inflated its way into prosperity. We face either bankruptcy default or massive inflation or both sequentially.

Someone has to provide the leadership.

this bears repeating! ;)

1,394 posted on 06/18/2002 12:26:40 PM PDT by christine
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To: B. A. Conservative
That leaves conservatives taking control of an existing party. Clearly the Republican party is the logical choice. But taking control from the powers that be is impossible unless the party were to suffer a massive defeat at the polls in an election. This fall presents a golden opportunity.
We hashed this out a little on another thread, but I think you have another angle here. Staying home is certainly easier than staging a coup of the Republican party. I think we also suggested infiltrating and taking over the Democratic party, but staying home is something that everyone has the time to do, and the message will not be ignored by the Republican machinery. The only catch is that you might find that Republicans are very consistant voters, out of a sense of duty, or maybe they still believe that their votes count even though vote recounts prove time and again that we are far from counting votes accurately enough to be able to honestly say that every vote counts. I think it might be difficult to convince enough Republicans to stay home especially now that we are at war.

I am still convinced that 2004 is the year to turn the ship, but 2002 will be a good time to start.


1,397 posted on 06/18/2002 12:43:51 PM PDT by sixmil
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