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To: Jim Robinson
"If we vote out the Democrats in sufficient numbers to give the Republicans the majority..."

This is where we disagree. I don't think the Republicans have ever won in sufficient numbers to give them a decisive majority except for the one time in 1994 when they presented the voters a clear choice with the Contract with America. With the exception of that lone election, Democrats have either won or gained seats in every other election. If FreeRepublic starts now on an agenda to show Republicans that we are going to abandon them this fall unless they give us a real conservative agenda, ie. another Contract with America. I say to them, "Prove to us that you are worthy of our support." FreeRepublic has the power through our discussions on this forum to move the Republicans to a position worthy of support.

Both parties monitor this forum. Let's use our forum for effect. Make the forum work for us and the country. We can set the electoral agenda. Open your eyes; we impeached a President. Surely we can sway an election.

For the most part polticians are merely prostitutes in disguise. They will give the John what they think he wants. If we make our message clear, they'll deliver. And if they think they can take us for granted, we will always be bridesmaids, and never brides.

1,319 posted on 06/17/2002 5:28:09 PM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: B. A. Conservative
So, you want to elect Democrats?
1,321 posted on 06/17/2002 5:33:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: B. A. Conservative
Effectively, there are only two parties, Republicans and Democrats. They control the government. The party that holds the majority of members in the respective houses of Congress control the committees and therefore control the agenda. If we sit on our hands or vote third party then the Democrats will maintain control. If we vote out the Democrats in sufficient numbers to give the Republicans the majority, then we can at least control the agenda and the judiciary appointments while beginning to figure out how to remove the worst of the Republicans without turning control back over to the Democrats. - by Jim Robinson

This is where we disagree. I don't think the Republicans have ever won in sufficient numbers to give them a decisive majority except for the one time in 1994 when they presented the voters a clear choice with the Contract with America. With the exception of that lone election, Democrats have either won or gained seats in every other election.
If FreeRepublic starts now on an agenda to show Republicans that we are going to abandon them this fall unless they give us a real conservative agenda, ie. another Contract with America. I say to them, "Prove to us that you are worthy of our support." FreeRepublic has the power through our discussions on this forum to move the Republicans to a position worthy of support.
Both parties monitor this forum. Let's use our forum for effect. Make the forum work for us and the country. We can set the electoral agenda. Open your eyes; we impeached a President. Surely we can sway an election.
For the most part polticians are merely prostitutes in disguise. They will give the John what they think he wants. If we make our message clear, they'll deliver. And if they think they can take us for granted, we will always be bridesmaids, and never brides. 1319

So, you want to elect Democrats? - 1321 -JR

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No, I'd say we want some return to constitutional values by our politicians. -- And the ONLY way to get some more political respect for FR's position is to deliver a message much as B.A.C advocates.

To imagine that the Bush administration has been influenced in ANY way by FR's present garbled stance, is naive.
-- And to imagine that working for another Bush term, -- on a 'more of the same old politics' platform --- to imagine that this would make any effective change to a new political 'agenda' is sheer dreaming, imo.

1,325 posted on 06/17/2002 7:12:55 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: B. A. Conservative; Jim Robinson
Effectively, there are only two parties, Republicans and Democrats. They control the government. The party that holds the majority of members in the respective houses of Congress control the committees and therefore control the agenda. If we sit on our hands or vote third party then the Democrats will maintain control. If we vote out the Democrats in sufficient numbers to give the Republicans the majority, then we can at least control the agenda and the judiciary appointments while beginning to figure out how to remove the worst of the Republicans without turning control back over to the Democrats. - by Jim Robinson

This is where we disagree. I don't think the Republicans have ever won in sufficient numbers to give them a decisive majority except for the one time in 1994 when they presented the voters a clear choice with the Contract with America. With the exception of that lone election, Democrats have either won or gained seats in every other election.
If FreeRepublic starts now on an agenda to show Republicans that we are going to abandon them this fall unless they give us a real conservative agenda, ie. another Contract with America. I say to them, "Prove to us that you are worthy of our support." FreeRepublic has the power through our discussions on this forum to move the Republicans to a position worthy of support.
Both parties monitor this forum. Let's use our forum for effect. Make the forum work for us and the country. We can set the electoral agenda. Open your eyes; we impeached a President. Surely we can sway an election.
For the most part polticians are merely prostitutes in disguise. They will give the John what they think he wants. If we make our message clear, they'll deliver. And if they think they can take us for granted, we will always be bridesmaids, and never brides. 1319

So, you want to elect Democrats? - 1321 -JR

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No, I'd say we want some return to constitutional values by our politicians. -- And the ONLY way to get some more political respect for FR's position is to deliver a message much as B.A.C advocates.

To imagine that the Bush administration has been influenced in ANY way by FR's present garbled stance, is naive.
-- And to imagine that working for another Bush term, -- on a 'more of the same old politics' platform --- to imagine that this would make any effective change to a new political 'agenda' is sheer dreaming, imo.

{sorry, forgot to flag JR.}

1,326 posted on 06/17/2002 7:15:15 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: B. A. Conservative; Jim Robinson
I can't believe you believe there are enough Buchanan conservatives in the United States that the agenda you're seeking would get passed in Congress.

Do you really believe that?

This is a country that has given Democrats the popular vote in three straight presidential elections. This is also a country that opposed the impeachment of Clintoon. This is also a country that likes public financing of education, NPR and PBS, the NEA, the NEH, airport security, etc.

Free Republic is a great web site, but surely you understand conservatives are a minority in this country. Buchanan would have been elected in 1992 or 1996 or 2000 if that weren't true.

Trying to convince millions of Americans to become conservatives would require the sort of proselytizing you see with the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons-- armies of believers going door to door and sharing the "good news" relentlessly. We are a long way from that.

1,328 posted on 06/17/2002 7:18:20 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: B. A. Conservative
I don't think the Republicans have ever won in sufficient numbers to give them a decisive majority except for the one time in 1994 when they presented the voters a clear choice with the Contract with America.

Actually, they have - in 1946. ("Had enough? Vote Republican!" was their campaign theme.) The Republican Congressional landslides of that year (and in both houses of Congress, yet) created the Congress that Harry Truman, the old softie (ho ho ho), made such grand sport of deriding at every drop of a campaign microphone as "that good-for-nothing 80th Congress." And the record in fact shows the 80th Congress being far more accomplished than the Congress of Newtie and the Blowfish's Contract With America (and talk about breach of contract!) only wish they had been - the 80th Congress, unlike today's Republicans, walked the walk when they talked the talk.

David Frum has written compactly but effectively about the 80th Congress in his essay, "Not So Wild About Harry," included in his collection What's Right. Today's Republicans should only wish they were worth of being mentioned in the same air as were the Republicans of the 80th Congress.
1,333 posted on 06/17/2002 7:59:25 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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