Freeoples Thread 307

[Mo1]

Freeoples ....

Thread 307

[ValerieUSA]

In the days of early Americans, unmarried women weren't bearing half a dozen + children to be supported by the state while they drank (or toked or snorted or shot up) all day and night, creating a new huge victim class with no work ethic or family pressure to succeed and exercise self-control. People sank or swam on their own, with orphanages and poor houses and asylums the only "relief." We live in the year 2002, and looking backward to the "good old days" (were they really so good?) won't get us to a better tomorrow.

[Mo1]

I have NEVER tried anything without finding out what it's effects are, first.

Does not matter when you tried them or why you tried some things and not other ..

The point is you tried them

Now keep in mind of all the other teenagers who DON'T use their head and say .. oh what the hell let me give it a try

I understand your point about the Governmnet neo-leftest ramming their idea down our throats .. but in the case of drugs .. I don't know .. I have seen how drugs can TOTALLY "F" up a person

I have seen people who were once very bright people with a future reduced to brain dead sad people

You remember that story I told a while ago about a guy I knew who cut off his Pecker because the voices told him to

The cause of those voices were years and years of drug use

[gratefulwharffratt]

In the days of early Americans, unmarried women weren't bearing half a dozen + children to be supported by the state while they drank (or toked or snorted or shot up) all day and night, creating a new huge victim class with no work ethic or family pressure to succeed and exercise self-control. People sank or swam on their own, with orphanages and poor houses and asylums the only "relief." We live in the year 2002, and looking backward to the "good old days" (were they really so good?) won't get us to a better tomorrow.

I can't believe that you just said that, to use as a defense of collectivism.

In fact, collectivism is the CAUSE of each of those problems. Yet you refuse to turn away from the darkside and embrace the Light of Individualism. You can do it Val, become a Strong Individual, unafraid to make your own decision, and unafraid to be responsible for them.

I know, I know, it's hard to do, when you've been spoon fed that neo-collectivist gunk all these years, but it's for your own good, mind you.

[ValerieUSA]

I never smoked ANY weed, until after I graduated from High School, despite having many opportunities. And to this day, I have never smoked a cigarette...

Me, too.... and I stopped altogether after a couple of years. I grew up.
But not my kids - they smoked dope and drank in middle school. I've been confiscating their stuff and yelling at them and grounding them and taking away privileges (neither of the kids who are of age are driving and they don't get allowances because they buy "weed") and even moved them halfway across the country from their friends... but it still goes on. Meanwhile, they love to say the same frigging things you're saying to me -- with their eyes droopy red and their grades in the tank and a complete lack of respect for me and the things they were taught early on. Drugs hurt.... they hurt whole families, not just the user.

[gratefulwharffratt]

Does not matter when you tried them or why you tried some things and not other ..

The point is you tried them

Ummm, yes it does matter. It matters VERY MUCH. That was your WHOLE point, you said that weed was a gateway drug, and I said that I had researched any drugs before I tried them.

So, if I tried mushrooms, then went and tried weed, it would shoot your assertion full of holes, correct??

Do you have any official collectivist source for that statement, by a NON government sponsored group??

[Mo1]

Morality cannot be legislated by any government - it must be taught to children by a loving mother and a loving father, who got it from their parents.

True morality can only be taught by parents and not the government

But I might also add that when they turn into teenagers all that stuff parents teach gets shoved into the closet and they only care about hanging out with their friends and being cool

When they grew up and start a family is when they pull all that stuff their parents taught they out of the closet and say .. WOW mom was right

Now I'm not saying ALL kids are like that .. but many are .. I know I was a smartass that thought I knew everything at that time

[Mo1]

Drugs hurt.... they hurt whole families, not just the user.

CORRECT

[gratefulwharffratt]

I don't know .. I have seen how drugs can TOTALLY "F" up a person

That is not the point.

It does not matter how lethal the object being prohibited (WMD excepted), the point is that an Individual's rights are being enfringed by the prohibition, and ESPECIALLY by the enforcement of that prohibition. Countless mistaken no-knock homicides later...

[ValerieUSA]

By "collectivism" do you mean, "We the people"?

[Mo1]

Do you have any official collectivist source for that statement, by a NON government sponsored group??

No .. but what I do have is life experiences with drugs and you will NEVER change my mine on that subject .. because the bottom line is drugs "F" you up BIG TIME!!!

[gratefulwharffratt]

You remember that story I told a while ago about a guy I knew who cut off his Pecker because the voices told him to

The cause of those voices were years and years of drug use

How can you say that with a straight face???

Millions of people have used drugs for many years, and ONE of them hears a voice and cut his pecker off, and that shows that DRUGS caused it?? My vote is for delusional paranoia that caused it.

I saw a Catholic one time, and he carved 'Mother' into his chest with a rusty razor blade. It was because he was a Catholic for all those years. See how silly that sounds??

[Mo1]

Oh and I have other stories besides they guy who cut his pecker off

[gratefulwharffratt]

with their eyes droopy red and their grades in the tank and a complete lack of respect for me and the things they were taught early on. Drugs hurt.... they hurt whole families, not just the user.

There is no disputing that. I am sorry your kids are being that way, but not everybody who uses them acts that way.

I took my tests high, and still coasted through college...

I am NOT trying to say that drugs are not harmful. But prohibition will NOT ease their troubles.

[Mo1]

Millions of people have used drugs for many years, and ONE of them hears a voice and cut his pecker off, and that shows that DRUGS caused it?? My vote is for delusional paranoia that caused it.

Try again .. I know the guy and he has been whacked out of his mind due to years and years of doing drugs

I know another guy who has the mind of a 10 year old because of years and years of drug use

I know another guy who would steal from his friends and rob houses due to years and years of drug use

Shall I continue???

[Mo1]

I saw a Catholic one time, and he carved 'Mother' into his chest with a rusty razor blade. It was because he was a Catholic for all those years. See how silly that sounds??

There are whacked out catholics that do drugs also

[lodwick]

One thing that is so different today, and in the near past, is the bombardment of kids with what is cool, through the tellie with a gazillion worthless channels, the crap movies, the gangsta thing, the Britney thing, and all the other images that are tough to avoid. Plus, at the same time the hormones are doing what they do - it's a wonder any of us made it out alive - and it IS tougher today than it was forty years ago when I was fifteen.

You've got my prayers for your lovely little angels. Do whatever you have to do to keep them that way in their spirit. JL

[gratefulwharffratt]

By "collectivism" do you mean, "We the people"?

Yes, 'you the collectivist people' who are willing to disregard the Bill of Rights to enforce your notions of right or wrong, good product or bad product, on the Individual.

[Darlin']

Sorry, Ratty, IMHO Mo's "amputee" example trumps your rusty nail cpmparison. :)

[Mo1]

Oh and then there are the drug invested neighborhoods .. come up to Philly sometime ... I'll show you all these lovely neighborhoods

[gratefulwharffratt]

because the bottom line is drugs "F" you up BIG TIME!!!

Yes, Mo, that is the whole reason that people take drugs, to alter their perception for a period of time.

It is the ABUSE of drugs that is harmful. Have you had you third pot of coffee today?? Caffein is a drug, you know.