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1 posted on 04/23/2002 10:02:52 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Maceman
Try looking up the Karankawa Indians (Texas). Many reports of cannibalism, especially towards their rival tribe the Commanche.
2 posted on 04/23/2002 10:20:43 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: Maceman
Click here for a pleasant story
3 posted on 04/23/2002 10:21:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Maceman
Karankawa Info
4 posted on 04/23/2002 10:22:42 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: Maceman
Scalping Link
5 posted on 04/23/2002 10:25:56 AM PDT by Icthus
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To: Maceman
Were you looking for this thread?

How were the Native Indians when Columbus arrived?[Angels?, Savages?,etc]

6 posted on 04/23/2002 11:16:12 AM PDT by NovemberCharlie
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To: Maceman
The journals of Lewis and Clark talk about the practice of stampeding an entire herd of buffalo over a cliff in order to use just what the Indians needed. I guess that's not exactly a reference that you can link easily, but it is where I first read of the practice.

I believe the journals also talk a little about slavery. Sacagawea, the wife of their interpreter, had been captured by other Indians as a slave and eventually sold to her husband. I talk a little about her life at Sacagawea: Reality vs. U.S. Mint.

I hope this helps.

WFTR
Bill

7 posted on 04/23/2002 7:42:14 PM PDT by WFTR
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To: Maceman
What difference does it make? - This is one where you could look worse for winning.

I am sure that they killed as many buffalo as they could any way they could. So what? Environmentalism and endangered species were not part of the vocabulary. Survival was. There were not enough of them to do any lasting damage, so no lasting damage was done by them. On balance, they did a lot less damage than we have, but that is because of our sheer numbers, and because we change whatever land we touch permanently. Evidence of their footprints might be gone with the next rainfall.

If some want to glorify the romance of indian life and nomadic culture, let them. It is no threat to find it interesting or to find harmony with the land in it. It was a simpler time and a simpler life than ours, and many, like me who hate concrete and highrises, enjoy the imagery of Dances with Wolves. Niether side should try to apply today's thinking to it.

8 posted on 04/23/2002 9:02:57 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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PING!
15 posted on 04/25/2002 12:21:43 AM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: Maceman
check 1491 on the Atlantic magazine web site.

The problem I have with "Dances with Wolves" is that all the lady characters are happy little women, one dimensional picture. Here are women who have to do all the dirty work after their men have a happy buffalo fight (stripping the skins, making jerky, etc. etc.)

Women in many tribes were little more than slaves. Some tribes had powerful women, including the Sioux. But Sioux women prior to menopause had few rights, unless of course they had decent husbands (good women with good husbands have a lot of power over their husbands).

16 posted on 04/25/2002 5:18:27 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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Maceman:

This is from 1709.
IIRC, its one of the earliest accounts of the Indians of North Carolina.

I hope you find this of assistance.

-CD

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From A New Voyage to Carolina, by John Lawson:

"Their Cruelty to their Prisoners of War is what they are seemingly guilty of an Error in, (I mean as to a natural Failing) because they strive to invent the most inhumane Butcheries for them, that the Devils themselves could invent, or hammer out of Hell; they esteeming Death no Punishment, but rather an Advantage to him, that is exported out of this into another World.

Therefore, they inflict on them Torments, wherein they prolong Life in that miserable state as long as they can, and never miss Skulping of them, as they call it, which is, to cut off the Skin from the Temples, and taking the whole Head of Hair along with it, as if it was a Night-cap. Sometimes, they take the Top of the Skull along with it; all which they preserve, and carefully keep by them, for a Trophy of their Conquest over their Enemies. Others keep their Enemies Teeth, which are taken in War, whilst others split the Pitch-Pine into Splinters, and stick them into the Prisoners Body yet alive. Thus they light them, which burn like so many Torches; and in this manner, they make him dance round a great Fire, every one buffeting and deriding him, till he expires, when every one strives to get a Bone or some Relick of this unfortunate Captive."

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An account of John Lawson's murder, two years later:

New Berne, North Carolina
John Fiske

Between the Tuscaroras and the numerous Sioux tribes by which they were partly surrounded there was incessant and murderous hostility. On the other hand, there was amity and alliance, at least for the moment, between the Tuscaroras and the Algonquin coast tribes whose lands the palefaces were invading. The first murders of white settlers occurred in Bertie Precinct at the hands of Meherrins, and seem to have been isolated cases. But a general conspiracy of Iroquois and Algonquin tribes was not long in forming, and the day before the new moon, September 22, 1711, was appointed for a wholesale massacre.

A few days before the appointed time the Baron de Graffenried started in his pinnace from New Berne to explore the Neuse River. His only companions were a negro servant and John Lawson, a Scotchman who for a dozen years had been surveyor-general of the colony. Lawson was the author of an extremely valuable and fascinating book on Carolina and its native races, a book which one cannot read without loving the writer and mourning his melancholy fate. No man in the colony was better known by the Indians, who had frequently observed and carefully noted the fact that his appearance in the woods with his surveying instruments was apt to be followed by some fresh encroachment upon their lands.

Lawson and Graffenried had advanced but little way into the Tuscarora wilderness when they were taken prisoners. The Indians were very curious to learn why they had come up the river; perhaps it might indicate that the people at New Berne had some suspicision of the intended massacre and had sent them forward as scouts. If any such dread beset the minds of the red men, it was probably soon allayed; for it is clear that, had there been any suspicion, Graffenried and Lawson would not thus have ventured out of all reach of support.

The barbarians were two or three days in making up their minds what to do. They then took poor Lawson, and thrust into his skin all over, from head to foot, sharp splinters of lightwood, almost dripping with its own turpentine, and set him afire. The negro was also put to death with fiendish torments, but Graffenried was kept a prisoner, perhaps in order to be burned on some festal occasion.

Before the news of this dreadful affair could reach New Berne, the blow had fallen, not only there, but also at Bath and on the Roanoke River. Some hundreds of settlers were massacred, at New Berne 130 within two hours from the signal. No circumstance of horror was wanting. Men were gashed and scorched, children torn in pieces, women impaled on stakes. The slaughter went on for three days.

Old Virginia and Her Neighbours by John Fiske, pages 350-353
Houghton, Mifflin and Company, Boston, 1902

17 posted on 04/25/2002 5:35:26 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Maceman
My Great-Grandfather used to tell me tales of Mic Mac raiding parties that his ancestors would go on - the purpose was to basically destroy the "eskimos" up in the north, since they were cannibals... :0) They also had a hand in exterminating the small group of Mequaegit ("Red Paint People") through warfare...

Oddly enough, my mother's people were referred to by some of their Algonquin enemies as "Mohowaanuck" (which was meant "man eaters")...

:0)

18 posted on 04/25/2002 9:40:07 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Maceman
Cannabilism
19 posted on 04/27/2002 8:24:14 PM PDT by blam
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