Freeoples Thread 294

[Mo1]

Freeoples ....

Thread 294

[Jaidyn]

Yes, I saw that. There is something up and I hope it comes out soon! I just wish Bush would have talked about it to us but hopefully the majority is right and he will come out smelling like a rose!

[Mo1]

There were 5 converted black voters. She told seattle that she had already passed those papers on to some more black friends--that they couldn't believe there was actually black conservatives that thought like them

Good for her .. I wish more would speak out about how they feel

[ValerieUSA]

hee hee - from Coulter's column:
After (Denzel) Washington accepted his award, Roberts leapt on him and would not let go. It was as if he had grown some sort of exotic Julia Roberts wart. Not only Washington, but, more urgently, his wife deserves great credit for their forbearance. Whatever indignities Hollywood has visited on blacks in the past, it would be hard to top this.

[Rowdee]

He discusses more than abortion; but abortion is only a symbol....which is 'life'....as the Declaration says, "All men are created equal, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...".

Without liberty, the pursuit of happiness is meaningless....and without life, the word liberty means nothing.

I see what he is saying as 'without the highest of regard for life, we are unable to utilize or recognize any other rights. Without life and by extension the other unalienable rights, how can we possible self-govern? Even the Founders said that the form of government they had provided was only of value to a religious people.

But then, that's just me :) And I'm quite prejudiced--Dr. Keyes is the person who turned my thinking on abortion around...nobody else could...NOBODY! And he did it using the Declaration and the Constitution--at the time, I wouldn't have accepted any religious reasons. And for someone to change my mind, after I had supposedly weighed all factors, is saying something--because I fought it.

[Canadian Outrage]

Poor Denzel - being jumped on by horse face!! FOFL She has the biggest mouth and teeth in proportion to the rest of her face. She reminds me of Mr Ed. Now really FOF!!

[sweetliberty]

Well, as of yesterday, if some of my coworkers had any question about my political persuasion that was swiftly adjusted! No doubt in ANYBODY'S mind now. Most of them tend to be more conservative though. One of them was laughing at me. Probably because I'm normally pretty quiet on our long drives, but man...the liberal just mashed my buttons yesterday morning, and that is a very bad idea at 5:30 AM!

[Mo1]

Oh I've heard him talk about other issues .. I don't mean to say he doesn't ..

Keyes is a very smart man and to be honest .. I think he can offer alot more being on TV because he can speak more freely about issues that need to be address .. Because you know if he was President he wouldn't be able to .. politics and all

[Canadian Outrage]

If he were to ever become President, the NOW hags would ALL stroke out!! We wouldn't have to listen at them any more. LOL

[gratefulwharffratt]

Don't look now, but The West Wing is about to do a hatchet job on Bush with the ANWAR thing.

His fictional opponent is already being cast as a slow Southerner who wants to drill everywhere. We should watch it just so our criticisms will be accurate...

[Jaidyn]

Roberts is an idiot. So is Halle Berry! Roberts' treatment of Washington appeared more condescending in her admiration of him than as a peer. Halle was contradictory and hypocritical which made her fake ballyhoo even more disgusting. She came from a nice home, was elected to be a cheerleader, and was over-whelmingly voted as high school queen, then went on to win numerous beauty pageants. Her only source of problems were inside her and had nothing to do with racists but her own perception of herself and her color.

[Mo1]

I think a lot of the reason he has focused so much on abortion is that that is the key to the problem of devaluing human life and has led to much of the idiocy in other areas.

I don't disagree with you or him on this issue .. he is right .. I totally agree

But I am speaking as a country as a whole .. and a world as a whole .. and neither one are ready for an Alan Keyes .. the man is very strong in his beliefs and as much as I admire and agree with him .. it just won't work .. at least for now

[Rowdee]

That's good to hear, Jaidyn. I've actually spoken to Seattle and there have been a lot of disheartening moments--especially given where she works; but she said it was so uplifting to find that there were actually people willing to listen, and then finding out they want the same things we do......its just how they were brought up.

Myself, I was raised in a Democrat household by parents who thought FDR was the second coming!! I never could get into the Democrat mode......I loved history and read constantly all through highschool....and it just didn't add up--all his 'good works' vs the Constitution! That is what made me a Republican.

And then, when the Republicans changed, I did, too. I am now free to vote for whomever I believe best represents what the Country needs as I see it.

[Canadian Outrage]

You mean Charlie Sheen is gonna try to be intelligent!! What a laugh. If they wiped Hollywood off the map, the enviornment would improve immediately.

[sweetliberty]

"And he did it using the Declaration and the Constitution"

That was one of the things that impressed me so much about him. He is a devout Christian man, but he is smart enough to know that that is not the best approach to take when addressing the general public, so he relies on the documents of the founders, which themselves give great credit to the Creator. It's hard not to pay attention unless you're one of those people who'd just as soon throw out the Constitution and all our history built on it and on the Bill of Rights. The documents speak volumes about today's issues.

[Jaidyn]

Most of the people I work with don't know who the VP is! The production manager told me he has never voted!! They are ignorant! Every once in a while someone will put a Clinton sign on my back as a joke. Nesha and another black girl are the only two that show an interest in politics. A bunch of losers!

[Servant of the Nine]

I think a lot of the reason he has focused so much on abortion is that that is the key to the problem of devaluing human life and has led to much of the idiocy in other areas.

Abortion is an issue that splits the Republican party right down the middle. Polls among Pubbies vary from 45/55 to 55/45. Any Candidate who is seen as being serious about doing something about Abortion, either way is gonna lose.

Until public opinion crysatalizes to at least 30/70 or 70/30 anyone who seems to be ready to actually do anything is doomed.

So9

[Canadian Outrage]

Socialism depends on the apathetic!! That is the main problem in this country. Us Conservatives get soooo angry. So many people in this country just shrug their shoulders whilst losing one freedom after another!!

[Canadian Outrage]

Unfortunately, that about says it!!

[Rowdee]

I think this is a phenomena that will continue to multiply....it will take time, though.....if each of these 5 could convert 1 friend a week; and then those convert l a week....it would take a long time, but it can be done....and as Jaidyn indicated, she is working on some of her friends.

One of the most heartening things we had going at Fire Talk was getting new people coming into the forum.....and yes, there were a lot of drive-by liberals....but, you know what....with preserverance, we were able to get some of them turned around, too.....facts have a funny way of getting to people--especially when you provide names, dates, links, to backup everything you're telling them.

Back to blacks.....we had a couple of fellas that dropped in from time to time, and one guy, we called Mechanic....at first he was rather aloof and mostly listened, though he would type once in a while. I could tell by his voice, when he did speak, that he was black, but you really had to strain to catch this.

Anyhow, the FReepers tried to remain civil....and respond to questions....and finally we got him talking, and asking, and talking some more and asking more.....and we wound up with a really swell fella--was out of Houston--told us it was gonna be a tough sell--knowing his neighborhood...but he was gonna do it. I'm not saying he was a Keyes fan [the majority on Fire Talk weren't, though there was a sizeable number that were]--he was actually a conservative who found out it was ok to be conservative! And while I don't appreciate that handle anymore because of the bastardization of the word, it sure as hell beats liberal any day of the week.

I don't know what happened to him after Fire Talk shut down.

[Mo1]

OK .. ONCE AGAIN .. I am AGAINST abortion and I AGREE with Keyes .. he is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ..

But we have to deal with this country as a whole .. not just my beliefs

As wrong as abortion is .. the fact is it will never go away even if it is outlawed .. abortion has been going on for centuries

I have also notice with this country (in general) that you can't just shove an issue down people throats .. they will put their backs up against the wall and close their ears

HOWEVER, I have ALSO noticed that more women are becoming pro-life .. why .. because they have LEARNED that abortion is not the right why

Don't get me wrong I admire these folks that carry sign and fight for the rights of the unborn .. but I think the way to win this fight is to educate people of the facts and the truth

For example ..I've told this story before but maybe not to you .. I have a friend who didn't think there was a big deal about Partial Birth Abortion .. after I picked up my jaw I asked him if he knew what it was .. he didn't and I explained what it was .. He was then sickened and thought it was wrong .. so that is why I think the best way to win this fight is by educating people

Which is also why I think Alan Keyes will do more good for this country being on TV .. he can reach more people