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To: Corin Stormhands
I strongly disagree. Boromir was not completely evil. He was tempted by and desired the power of the ring. But he was at war within himself. True, Vader eventually struggled in his conscience when he met Luke, but for a good while he was "totally" bad. Boromir was never that far gone...

Good point. Darth Vader certainly seems to have shut the door on any possibility of redemption, until the very end. The Smeagol/Gollum comparison is more valid. And probably, this points to Tolkien's vastly deeper understanding of human nature than Lucas's. Tolkien seems to understand that when you're too far gone, the chance of you returning to the Light is incredibly slim. In the end Gollum triumphs over Smeagol. I can't say without seeing the final Star Wars movie, and Anakin's final turning, but the return of Vader to the Light on witnessing the suffering of his son is probably too easy. The only sensible explanation is that the conflict was there all along, and that the suffering of Luke was just the final straw that brought him back and not the complete picture.

5,752 posted on 05/20/2002 9:59:56 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Mmm, yes, I could go with that. Or we could say that Vader simply moved to whichever side he felt gave him the best chance of looking good!

I do have to say I like the way he "balanced the Force" - two Sith, two Jedi, nobody else touches the stuff. Prophecies are always dangerous to interpret...

5,754 posted on 05/20/2002 10:04:06 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Wordsmith
And probably, this points to Tolkien's vastly deeper understanding of human nature than Lucas's. Tolkien seems to understand that when you're too far gone, the chance of you returning to the Light is incredibly slim.

It is my understanding that George Lucas was very much influenced by Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" when writing Star Wars. It may be the difference between Tolkien's Catholic worldview, and Campbell's pagan (in my understanding) worldview which colors the way the characters are created and grow.

5,867 posted on 05/21/2002 5:49:26 PM PDT by SuziQ
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