[JenB]

Penny, the door of Moria is written with Elf-runes because Dwarves use Elf-runes and Elvish. Dwarvish is a secret language and they do not seem to have any runes of their own; they like Daeron's Runes (Cirth) better than Feanor's (Tengwar).

OT, as for the 'fallen' debate, the Elves are not perfect. No one says they are. They disobey the Valar and certainly sin, so it would seem they too are fallen. The Fall is not depicted in ME, but it seems a fact. As to what fallen means, according to the catechism I learned as a child, it means that everyone is "corrupt in every part of his being". Goes for Elves as well as Men, I suppose.

[Penny1]

Ping for Post #5354 above....guess I was WAY off on that one...I should know better than to try to answer these questions, lol...

[Overtaxed]

They disobey the Valar and certainly sin, so it would seem they too are fallen.

I was just wondering why no one seemed to understand my argument that the Elves refusing to change when change was the design of God was a "fallen" characteristic. (from the quote I posted yesterday...Letter 181.)

[Tuor]

OT, as for the 'fallen' debate, the Elves are not perfect. No one says they are. They disobey the Valar and certainly sin, so it would seem they too are fallen. The Fall is not depicted in ME, but it seems a fact. As to what fallen means, according to the catechism I learned as a child, it means that everyone is "corrupt in every part of his being". Goes for Elves as well as Men, I suppose.

IIRC, Tolkien says that the Elves have not experienced a Fall, as Man has.

Tuor