[carton253]

Is that in the book or the movie?

[ksen]

Is that in the book or the movie?

I think they were talking more about the movie Elrond, than the book Elrond. I just butt in at the end there with a smart-aleck comment. ;^)

-Kevin

[Overtaxed]

Is that in the book or the movie?

I think that's part of the problem...some arguments about the movie, some about the book, and still some a combination of both.

BTW....just curious: what is everyone's definition of "fallen?"

[SuziQ]

Is that in the book or the movie?

I was discussing the scene in the movie when Gandalf and Elrond were talking in Rivendell. Elrond seems to scoff at the idea of men being strong enough to protect the Ring. He recounts in flashback how Isildur was too weak (and greedy) to destroy the Ring at the time of the battle where Isildur cut the ring from Sauron's hand. I'm not sure in which book this information may be found.