[Overtaxed]

Is that in the book or the movie?

I think that's part of the problem...some arguments about the movie, some about the book, and still some a combination of both.

BTW....just curious: what is everyone's definition of "fallen?"

[Tuor]

I think that's part of the problem...some arguments about the movie, some about the book, and still some a combination of both.

As I've never seen the movie and doubt I ever will, you can assume I'm talking about the books. The very fact this sort of thing has to be established should explain a bit as to why I don't want to see the movie (a dead topic for me, BTW).

So, I won't jump on you over whatever you think about Elves in the movie, since those are Jackson Elves, not Tolkien Elves. :)

Tuor