Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
As I remember it, Picard went back and fetched a (very) reluctant Kirk, who was, as usual, indulging himself in a fantasy. Than Picard coordinated the battle, and arranged it so Kirk was the dead hero and he himself was the live hero. Guts AND brains (maybe he isn't really French).
Hmm, brains certainly... not sure how gutsy it is to make sure the other guy gets killed, though.
So what did you think of Sisko? :)
Why don't we wait until after the DVD is released in August? We can comment on it, but there wouldn't be as many comments as there will be for the extended version. That way, we don't get too close to the 65K mark, then we can start a new thread before the extended version and TTT are released. Then we can start this fun all over again!!
With the subsequent success of the franchise, I'll bet she kicks herself in the butt every day!!
A late good morning. I slept in until almost 9, then went on errands and chores. So now I have a three hour window until work - but I'll probably be on late again. It's too fun!
That's why I can't wait for the DVD. I think I'll notice a lot moreif everything is going on on the smaller screen right in front of me. I've seen in 5 times in the theater now, so I think I've gotten the full screen advantage. LOL! Now I'd like to concentrate on the little things. I did notice the ring shrinking the first time; thought that was a cool effect. The ring seemed to be shaping itself to make it more 'wearable', to whoever had it, thus making them more easily controlled.
I believe she felt that working a TV series would hurt his movie career.
They had to finally off him. The budget for the material for his uniforms and his hairpieces was bankrupting them...
You're exactly right about the Ring of Barahir that Aragorn wears. No fair! I'm the Elf history expert here!
hehe, I only knew it because I read the earlier discussion here about that ring... and I can't resist showing off what I learn! :)
And because you slept in you snipe at Bear? Bear was kind enough to help me out. Are you an Elf with an attitude? Had the precious a few too many times?
Gee, I saw the movie at 9:30 last night, came back and posted after 1:00 a.m., then got up with my son (who also saw the movie last night) at 6:00 a.m. to get him off to the last day of school.
And I'm twice your age. (and I'm feeling every year of it).
Thanks to both of you for knowing the answer to my question.
(Thanks for the book lists too)
Naahhh....that never happens! :)
Interesting, but waay too much angst, and a rather pronounced Messiah complex, IMHO!
After you have played Christ, just commanding a Starship is quite a comedown, it seems to me.
Well that is my current opinion also, Hair doesn't feel strongly about it, I think. Anyone else want to chime in here?
Hair is feeling too lazy to even get on the fence.
-Still a tired hobbit.
I say we ride this thing until it crashes. I don't think it was started as a specifically FoTR related thread, so I see no need to rush to change merely because TTT will be out soon (I wish).
Nevertheless if it is the will of the council to switch after the August DVD release then so be it. Gondor will see it done. ;^)
Always cheating the system, always thinking/operating outside the box, that's what I love about Kirk.
That's my feeling too...
I mean, if people want a new hole because we want a new one, go for it! Otherwise, I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about...but then, I'm from the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp. ;) Besides, I like making our post count go higher and higher...
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