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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; All
the Lakers Threepeat

I knew there was a reason I wasn't bothering to watch the NBA finals... lack of competition.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Oh, yeah, that reminds me... my night light is setting quickly, so I'd best pack it in... g'night all!

8,941 posted on 06/12/2002 9:02:09 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Goodnight Bear! Do let me know when you've read Connie Willis's books so we can talk about them!
8,942 posted on 06/12/2002 9:06:09 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
If the post limit is 65k, will we be able to last in the current Hole until December? If so, howzabout starting a new Hole when TTT premieres?

Even if we keep our posting rate to the current 200/day, it would be 30,000 posts by November, after the Director's Cut DVD of FOTR, when previews of TTT would be starting, which I would think is the logical time to change, if we wait that long. If we double the rate to 400/day, we will be up to 60,000 by that time, way too close for comfort. Anyone have an opinion on the number of posts we will be getting?

If we go this route, WE MAY HAVE TO ELIMINATE RACES FOR THE '00' POST, TO BE SURE WE DON'T GO OVER THE LINE!!! If we break now, or soon, we won't have to do this.

8,943 posted on 06/12/2002 9:07:53 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Those numbers are for additional posts, added to the current 9000 - odd. At 400 posts/day we would go over the limit before the FOTR Director's cut DVD is released.
8,944 posted on 06/12/2002 9:12:51 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: ksen;All
This is way too much scut work for a day, looking forward to hearing your thoughts, and hearing from Kevin on the maximum number of posts. Goodnight All!!
8,945 posted on 06/12/2002 9:19:01 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
hehehe - Goodnight! Back in from tending the ponies! - Had two fuzzy navels and switched to ice water! - It's hot here!

I just like the idea of a new thread so we can have a new picture on it that works, and 10,000 was a good number.... I don't really mind either way!

8,946 posted on 06/12/2002 9:24:20 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB
Well I got started on a picture tonight, but probably won't have time to finish it and get it on my server until the weekend. Maybe as early as tomorrow night, though. I'll keep you posted. Better get to bed - I have already stayed up much later than I should have.
8,947 posted on 06/12/2002 10:17:10 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Goodnight ecurbh... I am up late too... but it is still too hot to sleep.
8,948 posted on 06/12/2002 10:18:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
What the heck, I'll stay up a little longer. Here is what I have so far. Comments and suggestions welcome!


8,949 posted on 06/12/2002 10:31:29 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
I love the Hobbit Hole Continues!
8,950 posted on 06/12/2002 10:33:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I was kind of torn between that and "The Road Goes Ever On and On..."
8,951 posted on 06/12/2002 10:39:24 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
"The Road Goes Ever On and On..." can be in the first post!
I want to start the new thread now!

Thanks for your work on this! - I am going to try to go to bed now. It's late.

8,952 posted on 06/12/2002 10:42:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Namárië! I better get to bed for real now too - it's almost 1am here now, and I have to work tomorrow. (Only 2 days left!)
8,953 posted on 06/12/2002 10:47:47 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Yippee ecurbh, is that Boromir!!? I like this graphic!
8,954 posted on 06/12/2002 11:25:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ecurbh; HairoftheDog; Overtaxed; JenB; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; ksen; Sam Cree; Bear_in_RoseBear...
Nice job ecrubh.

Morning all (yawn)...

8,955 posted on 06/13/2002 3:54:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: SuziQ
WHat graphic???
8,956 posted on 06/13/2002 5:09:04 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands;HairOfTheDog;Lucius Cornelius Sulla;JenB;Overtaxed;2Jedismom;Bear_in_Rosebear;All
How about whoever posts the 10,000th post will get to host(ess) The Hobbit Hole Continues? That may cool off the competition for that post a bit. ;^)

BTW, good morning all!

-Kevin

8,957 posted on 06/13/2002 5:09:50 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen; Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Bear_in_Rosebear; ecurbh...
Good morning you all

Are we actually renaming the thread?

Seems as traumatic exciting as painting the house another color.

8,958 posted on 06/13/2002 5:41:14 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Good Morning!

Painting the house? How long did it take you to pick a color?

8,959 posted on 06/13/2002 5:49:52 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Check this out, Sis! They are getting rave reviews and only cost $3! I'm thinking of buying a half dozen of them and including them in the care packages I send to the troops!
8,960 posted on 06/13/2002 5:57:53 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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