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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mine?
8,301 posted on 06/09/2002 3:12:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Whooo-hooo! Flitty Elf dance time! Yippee, it's mine at last!
8,302 posted on 06/09/2002 3:12:49 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Nobody's on the same side all the time, it seems!

I know. I need a score card sometimes. (nice sneak)

8,303 posted on 06/09/2002 3:13:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
That wasn't too sneaky, was it?

Hehe - scorecard time! We should make people put them on their name pages.

JenB - Calvinist, Protestant, Pro-Harry Potter, Anti-Drugs, Pro-Bush, Pro-Israeli, Pro-Life....

8,304 posted on 06/09/2002 3:16:07 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
No, you won that one fair and square.

There's a certain other poster to whom I'm currently not supposed to speak who was very complimentary of my political analysis on another thread. So I'm not sure if I can still post to her on those threads...

I think it's time for Freeper Profiling.

(watch for the tin foil crowd to jump on that one)

8,305 posted on 06/09/2002 3:22:16 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
My husband didn't complain, it must be that I'm getting better at it!

My cat will actually sit beside me when I'm playing now...except when I try 3rd octave notes. Those notes set the neighbor's dogs barking if the windows are open (like they were Friday night.)

Here's what my whistle looks like:


8,306 posted on 06/09/2002 3:37:03 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
It's just downright cool-looking, I think.

I agree, it is kinda cool-looking. It's hard to tell the actual size from the photo, though. May I ask, what are the whistle's dimensions, length, width, etc.?

8,307 posted on 06/09/2002 3:38:40 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: JenB; Corin Stormhands
JenB Yippee, it's mine at last!

(sigh) I always seem to miss the run up to The Precious.

Corin Stormhands watch for the tin foil crowd to jump on that one

(innocent look) What's wrong with tinfoil?

8,308 posted on 06/09/2002 3:43:05 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hi!

I don't know about 2JM's whistle but mine is 11 3/8 inches long, 9/16 inches wide at the mouthpiece, and tapers to 3/8 inches at the end.

8,309 posted on 06/09/2002 3:49:39 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
2JM, have you an opinion on the Potter stories?

Nope!

8,310 posted on 06/09/2002 3:58:00 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Good, your kiddoes are too young for it anyway.... it is fun to get the tightwads going, though. Maybe that's sinful, but hey, who cares.

The whistle conversation is... vaguely disturbing. I'm not sure why.

8,311 posted on 06/09/2002 4:02:17 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Hi, Overtaxed, I didn't know there was an illustration of an elf ship taking the "straight road."

Thank you for posting it.

8,312 posted on 06/09/2002 4:05:26 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
My whistle is a little over 11.5" long and 1/2" in diameter. It's brushed brass with a green mouthpiece. I like it, but OT's is obviously the cooler (and better) whistle of the two. She has some background in music, I understand and felt more comfortable paying alittle extra. My whistle cost me about $7.45! I have ancient history flute playing in my background but am having to re-learn a lot of stuff. Matthew is taking a co-op class this next fall, music theory. I'm going to attend with him!
8,313 posted on 06/09/2002 4:06:10 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Sam Cree
I didn't know there was an illustration of an elf ship taking the "straight road."

It took some searching, but I found one! I was looking for elf lighthouses.

8,314 posted on 06/09/2002 4:08:03 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
"watch for the tin foil crowd to jump on that one"

I actually really like Blam's weird archaeology posts alot.

8,315 posted on 06/09/2002 4:15:37 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Those don't, IMO, really count as tinfoil stuff, because there really are weird archeological stuff out there. Just because aliens didn't do it doesn't mean it isn't odd. The tinfoilers are the "government is spying on your trips to the bathroom" or "children are being taught witchcraft in school" types.
8,316 posted on 06/09/2002 4:18:26 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Recently, while fishing with a buddy who is a retired physics prof, we were drifting along in his boat (not catching anything) and my mind was wandering around Tolkien's "straight road."

This caused some discussion on where the horizon would be if the world was flat. I think your illustration does a pretty good job of showing where it would be ;^)

8,317 posted on 06/09/2002 4:22:45 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: JenB
The whistle conversation is... vaguely disturbing. I'm not sure why.

Must not comment, must not comment...

8,318 posted on 06/09/2002 4:22:57 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
The tinfoilers are the "government is spying on your trips to the bathroom" or "children are being taught witchcraft in school" types.

Of course the goofiest part of those beliefs...

1) The government is competent enough to do anything...

2) Children are learning in publik skuls...

8,319 posted on 06/09/2002 4:24:17 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
The whistle conversation is... vaguely disturbing. I'm not sure why.

Obviously a music hater! Or maybe the frequency of 3rd octave tin whistle can penetrate tin foil!

8,320 posted on 06/09/2002 4:25:10 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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