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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
Who says cats are dumb.

Oh, they're dumb alright, dumb as foxes. ;^)

Where ya been?

-Kevin

7,861 posted on 06/07/2002 8:12:31 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Here is a topical example! - Though I have never posted about it, I am/was not a big fan of home-schooling. But with reasonable people here really into it, how can I not think it is a reasonable idea?
7,862 posted on 06/07/2002 8:13:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
And the Freoples and America the Right Way threads... there are a lot of little regular threads!

I am known here and in the Dimensional Door.

7,863 posted on 06/07/2002 8:14:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
We should be tempered all the time of course, but the social threads do help to personalize the relationships. It creates a peer group instead of a bunch of individuals, a peer group that will have to answer to each other for things we say, because we are not so anonymous anymore. And that is a good thing!

THAT'S IT! That is what I have been trying to clumsily get across. Thanks HOTD.

I agree, it is a good thing.

BTW, did you notice if they played the TT trailer during the MTV awards?

-Kevin

7,864 posted on 06/07/2002 8:15:33 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Giving others a chance at the Precious.
7,865 posted on 06/07/2002 8:17:02 AM PDT by carton253
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To: ksen
I didn't see a trailer... And I only stepped out once to tend ponies.
7,866 posted on 06/07/2002 8:17:57 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
My cat lets me feel her claws on my face until I get up and put food in the bowl or let her out (depending on what she wants.)
7,867 posted on 06/07/2002 8:18:09 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am known here and in the Dimensional Door.

I started reading that when it first started. Has it gone on from Loch Ness monster sightings and what are the latest happenings on Art Bell?

It sure is strange which threads get a life of their own and turn into a daily place to meet and chat with people who share a common interest, like this thread for example.

-Kevin

7,868 posted on 06/07/2002 8:21:34 AM PDT by ksen
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To: carton253;Corin Stormhands
Giving others a chance at the Precious.

Well I'm glad you're back because Corin's been hogging the Precious.

-Kevin

7,869 posted on 06/07/2002 8:24:04 AM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
But with reasonable people here

Thank you! That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a while. I know I'm a reasonable person, but trying to convince the rest of the unreasonable world is difficult at times! It's why I like FR. You may not care for homeschooling, but you are reasonable enough to give people like me and others the benefit of the doubt. Unlike most of the rest of society.

7,870 posted on 06/07/2002 8:25:23 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen
They talk about a bit of wierd stuff at Dimensional Door, but mostly just chat.

I have to leave for a bit. The dreaded trip to town! Back in a couple hours!

7,871 posted on 06/07/2002 8:31:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Be back in a bit 2J - gotta go!
7,872 posted on 06/07/2002 8:32:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen; carton253
Well I'm glad you're back because Corin's been hogging the Precious.

Kevin has precious envy, doesn't Kevin?

7,873 posted on 06/07/2002 8:38:56 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands,2jedismom
I saw the new Star Wars this weekend. I liked it.

SPOILER -- IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS -- DON'T READ ANY FURTHER.

When Yoda went to fight Dooku - there was laughter (I think Corin mentioned it before) but it wasn't satrical or disbelief... it was more like... this is going to be good. I watched for it since that was mentioned. There was no disrespect implied by the laughter. I thought it was great myself.

The best part of the movie happened on Tatooine. After Anakin kills the raiders, he tells Padame that "he hates them all..." Then... Darth Vader's theme is heard. The whole audience reacted at that.

But that is also the greatest flaw of the movie. The best moment was done by the orchestrator. The movie lacks Hans Solo or someone like him. An exciting character... a character that demands you look at him. Hans was funny... but, he commanded your attention. He brought a certain tension to the scenes. When he wasn't on screen, you couldn't wait for him to return. Sorta like Aragorn.

The movie is too serious... I know it's about serious issues, but the humor is forced as some of the situations. There were inherent and organic comedy in the A New Hope and Empire that is not in this one. Funny asides to the camera are desperate. The story telling is heavy handed. I like the characters and the story...

Also, since I know the outcome... there is no suspense. So when you put characters I know live in peril... who cares. That hurts the story too.

I saw it once... I have no desire to see it again. I think I saw the original Star Wars 4 times in the theater and the Empire Strikes Back a boatload. After Empire the series has gone downhill.

7,874 posted on 06/07/2002 8:59:13 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
And Smeagol is zeroing in on the precious...
7,875 posted on 06/07/2002 9:00:23 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
... He got a scuggle and breakfast"...

scuggle new word? or snuggle intended? I'm interested in slang words from other areas; so just inquiring.

7,876 posted on 06/07/2002 9:01:33 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: Corin Stormhands
Kevin has precious envy, doesn't Kevin?

Who? Me? Anyone have some Visine? My eye is killing me.

-Kevin

7,877 posted on 06/07/2002 9:03:17 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Countyline
Scuggle is a combination of cuddle and snuggle. I made it up.
7,878 posted on 06/07/2002 9:03:35 AM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
And Smeagol is zeroing in on the precious...

Well THAT didn't take long. ;^)

-Kevin

7,879 posted on 06/07/2002 9:06:14 AM PDT by ksen
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To: carton253
I saw it once... I have no desire to see it again.

Same here. My son wants to go back. But not with me.

7,880 posted on 06/07/2002 9:07:21 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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