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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
Elf magic?

MPEG compression?

7,461 posted on 06/04/2002 8:46:32 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm getting it anyway, along with the regular one, like everyone else :-)
7,462 posted on 06/04/2002 9:05:04 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear;Corin Stormhands
Lothlorien Time?

Will be cool.

My pony got an extra good backscratch tonight. I started to brush him, and he was hamming it up so much how could I not? Wish I had a video.

7,463 posted on 06/04/2002 9:16:05 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed
How do you think elves take care of squirrel problems?
7,464 posted on 06/04/2002 9:17:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
How do you think elves take care of squirrel problems?

Oh, I'm sure Elves never had a squirrel "problem". They probably had a deep and abiding respect and love for squirrels, not for any particular use squirrels may have had, but simply as living creatures different from themselves, unique in their own squirrel-ness, an expression of the grand Theme of Ilúvatar, which gave Shape to the World.

And, squirrels probably made pretty good targets for bow practice.

7,465 posted on 06/04/2002 9:33:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
Lothlorien Time?

That gets my vote! No matter how long it actually runs, it never seems long enough. :)

I'm up past my bedtime. Good night all!

7,466 posted on 06/04/2002 9:35:21 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
That's very eloquent
7,467 posted on 06/04/2002 9:36:42 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Busy, busy, busy, that's me.... Unfortunately, I won't be home tomorrow night. I'll have to decide whether to tape it or not. From what I've gathered, no one from LOTR was available to attend the MTV awards, since they're all doing more filming in NZ right now. I also heard that they taped a hobbit acceptance speech for the "Best Film" category--I think they must have done it on set, because I heard that the guys were in costume and everything. That should be loads of fun, lol...
7,468 posted on 06/04/2002 9:52:28 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Awww, thanks, I hope so too...my real life sure is interfering with my online fun these days!!! :(
7,469 posted on 06/04/2002 9:53:39 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Maybe they were illegal-immigrant squirrels.

I wouldn't put it past them!

7,470 posted on 06/05/2002 3:13:55 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
How do you think elves take care of squirrel problems

Ummm....how do you think Legolas got to be such a good shot?

7,471 posted on 06/05/2002 3:19:15 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That is a big no-no, the moderators like to hunt these types down.

I'm going out on a limb here, but we're not sure that it wasn't a moderator. Just to end the thread and make a point.

7,472 posted on 06/05/2002 4:00:08 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
Morning All!
7,473 posted on 06/05/2002 4:00:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Good Morning!

I love coffee, I love tea.
I love my java, java it loves me.
Coffee and tea and the java and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup. Aahhhh!

7,474 posted on 06/05/2002 4:48:15 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm going out on a limb here, but we're not sure that it wasn't a moderator. Just to end the thread and make a point.

If that's the case then it would seem to be a rather disturbing development. I thought the whole point of the Religion Forum was to get us out of everyone else's hair and to allow us to have a freer flow of "dialogue" with each other.

What point could a moderator possibly want to make in that fashion?

-Kevin

7,475 posted on 06/05/2002 5:26:23 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
Thanks for the coffee OT.

*sip* Aahh!

-Kevin

7,476 posted on 06/05/2002 5:27:25 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands;Lucius Cornelius Sulla
...but we're not sure that it wasn't a moderator.

I would also hope that if the person was proved to be a moderator in disguise that they would be dealt with severely by the management.

-Kevin

7,477 posted on 06/05/2002 5:49:03 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands;Overtaxed
I know you guys are around here somewhere. We are just too close to the Precious for everyone to have up and disappeared.

-Kevin

7,478 posted on 06/05/2002 6:00:31 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I thought the whole point of the Religion Forum was to get us out of everyone else's hair and to allow us to have a freer flow of "dialogue" with each other.

You're right, the point of the Forum was to get us out of the "news" area. But the end affect has been to raise the intensity of the debate.

JR doesn't like the flame wars, and rightfully so.

7,479 posted on 06/05/2002 6:07:00 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
JR doesn't like the flame wars, and rightfully so.

He knew the flame wars would intensify and made statements to the effect that he was going to allow for such things.

I guess our problems would be solved if the participants would start to act like grown-ups instead Holy Warriors. I read a book recently, fiction set during the Crusades. When the Crusaders entered Jerusalem they killed everything they could lay sword to, Muslim, Jew, Christian, it didn't matter to them. They were liberating Jerusalem for God and no one was going to stand in there way, not even fellow believers. I think some have that same mindset. They are going to liberate FR for God and no one will stand in their way.

-Kevin

7,480 posted on 06/05/2002 6:16:47 AM PDT by ksen
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