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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
It is quiet... I am lurking about looking for something interesting. Was a busy day today in my world and I am relaxing now with a good soundtrack.


7,441 posted on 06/04/2002 7:12:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog
We're watching an interesting documentary on the Discovery Science channel, about extending human senses.
7,442 posted on 06/04/2002 7:28:49 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; HairoftheDog; ksen
I'm "watching" the Religion Forum. I haven't posted there since early this morning.

Hard to believe but it got ugly, then it got weird, and it got ugly again. (moreso than usual).

I just keep checking in to see if they've recovered all the bodies.

7,443 posted on 06/04/2002 7:31:27 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, ugly sound interesting... where? I love a good wreck!
7,444 posted on 06/04/2002 7:33:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
We're each doing work on our computers, too. We like to multi-task.
7,445 posted on 06/04/2002 7:36:39 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
A thread was pulled this morning. But not before we first saw the title change to say "Thread pulled - religious people should know better" - but it was still active. Then it was back to normal. Then it was changed and the thread was pulled. I can access MY posts on the thread, but no one else's. We had a disruptor show up last night - as if we needed someone to argue with. It was just really bizarre.
7,446 posted on 06/04/2002 7:40:12 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; All
Good nite all. Sweet dreams.
7,447 posted on 06/04/2002 7:45:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
We had a disruptor show up last night - as if we needed someone to argue with.

What would count as disruption on a nasty thread like that one?

7,448 posted on 06/04/2002 7:51:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Here Hair, do the ninja flip.

Oops not quite right yet.

7,449 posted on 06/04/2002 7:51:55 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: HairOfTheDog
Unfortunately, this hobbit will probably be pretty quite during the days from now on...Big Brother is watching very carefully these days. :(
7,450 posted on 06/04/2002 7:53:44 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: DonnerT
hehehehe - Flipping Ginsu Hobbit!
7,451 posted on 06/04/2002 7:54:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
What would count as disruption on a nasty thread like that one?

This guy was calling everybody names. On both sides. The nicest thing he said to me was "get a job. Or does daddy have a trust?"

We're pretty certain now it's a regular poster with a second screen name.

7,452 posted on 06/04/2002 7:55:45 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Penny1
Dang big brother anyway... How are ya? - You are gonna watch the MTV awards with me on Thursday aren't ya? - Did you hear whether any of them attend(ed) it?


7,453 posted on 06/04/2002 7:55:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Needs a little more work huh?
7,454 posted on 06/04/2002 7:56:45 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
Well, I suppose, though I don't know how to fix it!
7,455 posted on 06/04/2002 7:59:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Got in too big a hurry with the gif animator. I'll fix it tomorrow. Nite All.
7,456 posted on 06/04/2002 8:01:49 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: Corin Stormhands
We're pretty certain now it's a regular poster with a second screen name.

That is a big no-no, the moderators like to hunt these types down. Apparently this guy got fed up with the 'brotherly love' on that thread.

7,457 posted on 06/04/2002 8:02:24 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Penny1
this hobbit will probably be pretty quite during the days from now on.

Hope you can show up at night and on the weekends!

7,458 posted on 06/04/2002 8:04:27 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sorry, meant to put this over here...

"I would love to sweep up all the content that didn't make it in... wouldn't you?"

Yes I would, I'm disappointed the director's cut will only have 1/2 hour extra.

7,459 posted on 06/04/2002 8:36:22 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
I am trying to figure out how they fit all the new stuff that has been reported into 30 minutes!
7,460 posted on 06/04/2002 8:41:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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