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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
The Precious!
7,101 posted on 06/01/2002 8:55:41 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
HA! - The best victories are those gained honestly
7,102 posted on 06/01/2002 8:56:26 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
HA! - The best victories are those gained honestly

hehehe, well, I tried... does a 2-post sneak still qualify as a sneak?

7,103 posted on 06/01/2002 9:00:30 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I think a two-post sneak is acceptable by any standard, expecially on a Saturday!
7,104 posted on 06/01/2002 9:02:20 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
And this is a new page by anyone's standards!
7,105 posted on 06/01/2002 9:26:36 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Mourning doves like to roost in the big tree outside our bedroom window, so we get to hear that call all the time!

I love to hear them in the woods behind our house in the morning. Sometimes a pair will fly down to our deck and sit on the railing and coo away! In the winter, they'll fly down to the deck and nibble at the seed below the bird feeder that the other birds have knocked down there. They are such an interesting color. One is 'Dove Gray' but there is one that is a soft rosy brown color that is lovely!

7,106 posted on 06/01/2002 9:31:38 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
All we get is Rain,

I'd settle for a couple inches of rain after I'm finished this weekend, of course!

7,107 posted on 06/01/2002 9:57:43 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
They've got doves in the FL keys and the islands that make a call that sounds just like a kazoo, strangely. It looks like a normal dove except for a large dark spot on its throat.
7,108 posted on 06/01/2002 10:09:17 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: JenB; NewCenturions; ksen; Overtaxed; Penny1; 2JedisMom; Sam Cree; HairoftheDog...
Can we ban Corin and Kevin from going after the precious today?

Discrimination! Discrimination!

Good Saturday all. Went yard saling this morning. Bought nothing. Gonna watch Ocean's Eleven while the little one naps, then off to the pool.

Another sunny day here, but later this summer we'll get the leftover huricanes from Overtaxed...

7,109 posted on 06/01/2002 10:09:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hi Corin,

I went out and rented the whale Star Trek movie yesterday....all that discussion got me to feeling like watching it. My wife and I are going to put it on later. I'm amazed that its from as long ago as 1986

7,110 posted on 06/01/2002 11:24:23 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hallo! Sun here. Went to Borders, spent my leftover birthday gift cards on a nice hardcover. Now I have work, at 4. Should I read When the Devil Dances, watch the Harry Potter movie (any new "Burn that witch" threads?) or talk to you guys?
7,111 posted on 06/01/2002 11:36:48 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I'll probably be outside most of the afternoon working on a mirror stand.
7,112 posted on 06/01/2002 12:02:02 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
It is indoor work, and the TV for me. Once the temperatures stay in the 90's, I only go out when I have to, or to go swimming.
7,113 posted on 06/01/2002 12:06:15 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
we'll get the leftover huricanes from Overtaxed...

I don't mind getting leftovers if you'll take dibs!

7,114 posted on 06/01/2002 12:25:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
I went out and rented the whale Star Trek movie yesterday

Hey Sam, there was a thread on FR a few weeks ago about transparent aluminum!! Remember THAT while you're watching the movie!

7,115 posted on 06/01/2002 12:38:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ; All
Hey all! Just finished watching the movie again...only 199 more days and some odd hours, minutes and seconds!!
7,116 posted on 06/01/2002 2:19:31 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yes, I think you're right about indoor or the pool in this weather. The 88 degree temperature and sun was pretty strong. I got the mirror stand finished, but now I need a pint...
7,117 posted on 06/01/2002 3:49:08 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: SuziQ
I'll keep that in mind tonight, I suppose I'll understand what you mean as I watch?
7,118 posted on 06/01/2002 3:50:25 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
Less than 200 days! Yippy skippy! Done working again. I'm happy, I got to chat with an old friend for a while this afternoon, got some happy reading in this morning. What's up now? Anyone want any pizza, I've had more of that than I can stand.
7,119 posted on 06/01/2002 6:28:56 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; 2Jedismom; ksen; Overtaxed; HairoftheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear
Late night bump. It's friendlier over here even if no one is around...
7,120 posted on 06/01/2002 9:18:00 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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