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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
The honor system? 2JM are you older than you look?

I mean that in the kindest way, but the honor system?

6,861 posted on 05/30/2002 3:34:44 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
BBQ a cabrito!

Is cabrito (goat) meat good? I can get it here, because there are a large number of Jamaicans and other Carribean groceries in my area, and they all advertise goat meat. Beats cutting up bunny rabbits anyhow!

6,862 posted on 05/30/2002 3:36:41 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
2JM are you older than you look?

For a dwarf, you ask the dumbest questions, Corin. I learned years ago that any questions or guesses about woman's age will get you a quick trip to the crack in Mt. Doom!

6,863 posted on 05/30/2002 3:39:29 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Corin Stormhands
That's another nice thing about Middle Earth; the best looking women are over 1000 years old!
6,864 posted on 05/30/2002 3:56:31 PM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
If y'all want to try some real barbecue y'all are just gonna hafta come down to Texas...

We're all coming over to your house! When will the stuff come off the grill?

6,865 posted on 05/30/2002 4:45:52 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
If y'all want to try some real barbecue y'all are just gonna hafta come down to Texas...

We're all coming over to your house! When will the stuff come off the grill?

6,866 posted on 05/30/2002 4:46:09 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
we're going out tonight (Italian)

My daughter and I just got back from the cheap seats theater seeing FoTR for the 5th time; TTT trailer and all!!! It was great!! I can't wait til August. We just realized that the DVD will be out before we go on our vacation to Wyoming!! If the house we rent doesn't have a DVD player, we'll all just crowd around Sir SuziQ's laptop!!

And I didn't have to fix supper because #2 son is doing stir fry tonight!! He loves to cook (takes after me), and likes being home and having a big kitchen to work in. But he and some friends are renting a house in Pittsburgh for the next school year, so he's looking forward to cooking meals for the gang! He's such a great guy!

6,867 posted on 05/30/2002 4:59:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
The honor system? 2JM are you older than you look?

LOL! Well, I'm almost 40, but this was (amazingly) just during the early 90s, probably around '93.

They still sell honey and veggies by the honor system here in Oklahoma out in the country. You just see a stand out at the end of someone's drive with a shoe box or something. And does anybody know if they still have the little booths along the side of the road in Tyler that sells a dozen roses for a couple of bucks or so a bunch? My hubby used to pick me up a couple of those a week, when we lived there.

6,868 posted on 05/30/2002 5:33:58 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: All
Retiring early here. Wake me when the nuclear war starts. Goodnight.
6,869 posted on 05/30/2002 5:34:24 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Cabrito is only the kid, I think. Hair had a bit of trouble eating rabbit because it looked like a cat, once it was skinned. Well, a cabrito looks about like what I'd think a medium size dog would look like skinned! But it's extremely tender and tasty. I have never had veal, but I would imagine along those lines. Another thing, these were from farm raised nanny goats who's main purpose was milk production...the kids were very healthy, just not needed.
6,870 posted on 05/30/2002 5:39:05 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom; all
Good evening! Back from a long day... see we had a mini religious war - Arminian and Catholic friends, Penny and I will assure you that not all Calvinists are wackos, or nasty, or orc-like. (In fact the nasty Calvinists are in about the same proportions as the nasty Arminianists or the nasty Catholics. We just admit our depravity a little more ;-))

So what else is up? Did the "no more sneaking the zeros" get through to the sneaks?

6,871 posted on 05/30/2002 5:54:38 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
Just about any little critter makes you hungry doesn't it? hehehe

Good evening all... Hobbit Hair was busy today!

6,872 posted on 05/30/2002 5:56:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
I posted a long sermon about the Christian infighting on FR and then deleted the whole thing! At least I felt better to write it. I have been smart enough to avoid the holy wars this long, I see no reason to change my strategy.
6,873 posted on 05/30/2002 5:59:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good plan, good plan. Yell at us if you must, avoid the Crusades!

Now I'm happy - new Ender book coming out in August! please tell me some of you people have read the Ender books?

6,874 posted on 05/30/2002 6:05:54 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes...I like to eat. I love the festivity that goes with bar-b-queing and cooking out.

We have huge breakfasts too...my husband has a gigantic griddle and we cook up pancakes and eggs and bacon, with all the stuff that goes along with it. We have my parents over or friends and just pig out on breakfast!

6,875 posted on 05/30/2002 6:25:05 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Well, I love to eat too, but doesn't mean baby goats and bunny rabbits make me hungry! Give me a standard steak, from a cow, thank you. hehehe
6,876 posted on 05/30/2002 6:28:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
new Ender book coming out in August!

What are the Ender books?

6,877 posted on 05/30/2002 6:50:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Ahhhh, someone brave enough to ask! I've been wondering too, lol....
6,878 posted on 05/30/2002 6:52:23 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: JenB
I've read most of them. Liked the first one quite a bit, the 2nd was Ok, but the 3rd kind of lost me, so I gave up on them 'til this year when my son insisted I read Ender's Shadow which I thought was very good.

There's an interesting thread in News Activism titled "The Real History of the Crusades" BTW.

6,879 posted on 05/30/2002 6:54:17 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Penny1
Never heard of 'em!
6,880 posted on 05/30/2002 6:54:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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