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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Eww, she has to eat cabbages on top of everything else? That picture OT posted has scared me. I'm going to bed.
4,781 posted on 05/08/2002 7:03:00 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
EEK!
4,782 posted on 05/08/2002 7:03:28 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Fine - leave me here with HER? I think I will go find out what Viggo might be musing about and hope SHE is gone when I return!
4,783 posted on 05/08/2002 7:04:38 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog;JenB
Pleasant dreams!
4,784 posted on 05/08/2002 7:05:26 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
May you dream of ants! [smiling sweetly!]
4,785 posted on 05/08/2002 7:06:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't care what you folks say, I think that Galadriel is one spectacular lady (heck, she is my mother-in-law, right). I suspect that my system problems could be easily fixed if I just said: 'format D: format C:' . Of course I might have to install a little software, and may have a problem with my data.
4,786 posted on 05/08/2002 7:17:44 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
But you could end up with a very fine new boat anchor!
4,787 posted on 05/08/2002 7:29:30 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Apparently, her mom was the last to know about the insane and gay part of her brother... and is handling the situation with much drama.

That would be the ONLY way a 'very proper Southern woman' would handle it! LOL!

4,788 posted on 05/08/2002 8:00:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
"Apparently, her mom was the last to know about the insane and gay part of her brother"

Same thing happened to my mother. Cleaned out her brother's closets & found pantyhose/women's shoes/etc. And he was a priest.:(

4,789 posted on 05/08/2002 8:12:46 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: HairOfTheDog
But you could end up with a very fine new boat anchor!

But then I would have to buy a boat. Computers are much cheaper.

4,790 posted on 05/08/2002 8:21:07 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: MozartLover
Oh no!!!!
4,791 posted on 05/08/2002 8:22:16 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: SuziQ
I whole heartedly agree! - I would expect nothing less than very high drama!
4,792 posted on 05/08/2002 8:23:13 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yep.

He was also not a very nice person, so I did my share of laughing, too.:)

Naughty hobbits, we are.;^)

4,793 posted on 05/08/2002 8:24:20 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Door-stop perhaps?
4,794 posted on 05/08/2002 8:24:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: MozartLover
hehehehe
4,795 posted on 05/08/2002 8:27:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
BTW I read the link about that INSANE petition by that INSANE group of people who want the name of the Two Towers film to be changed. What a bunch of morons. Is there anything new to report on that?? Have they realized their mistake yet??? Have they issued an "OOPS" statement yet???
4,796 posted on 05/08/2002 8:33:12 PM PDT by MozartLover
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am kind of nervous about this priest thing (besides being outraged). I have been very close to a large New England family of Catholics named SHANLEY. This piece of crap from Boston is about 8 or 9 years younger than the head of that family, and I keep hoping that they are not related!
4,797 posted on 05/08/2002 8:33:50 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: MozartLover
Ananova corrected the story about it to acknowledge that the petition was a farse [my word] with few real signatures on it.

I mean... the idea of changing the name is a joke... and a cruel one because the emotions tied to 911 are very real. The guy that wrote it suffers from the worst case of stupidity I have ever seen a person be afflicted with. Although I still think it irresponsible for Ananova to publicize it, at least they responded by making the story more accurate.

4,798 posted on 05/08/2002 8:39:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Anybody have a spare boat (or a George Foreman grill, perhaps).
4,799 posted on 05/08/2002 8:41:07 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Who wins?
4,800 posted on 05/08/2002 8:41:12 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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