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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: 2Jedismom
My lawn sprinkler well is 17 ft, but I doubt if the drinking well is more than 25 or so, as the limestone bedrock is only about 12 inches under the topsoil. Our elevation above sea level is 11 feet, I think, which is high for this area.
44,921 posted on 12/03/2002 2:37:55 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
Did you see that video snippet up there of Legolas getting grumpy with Eomer?

It's in The Book! :)

44,922 posted on 12/03/2002 2:39:32 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree
but let's face it, everybody likes the smell and look of a real tree!

We've had a fake tree for the last 7 yrs. We solved the 'scent dilemma' by placing heavily pine (or balsam) scented candles or potpourri in the same room. You don't have to burn the candles; if you can get hold of some "Yankee" brand Candles, they are very heavily scented just sitting there!

As far as the looks of the tree, there are some gorgeous fake trees out there now, and once you get the lights and ornaments on it, you can't tell it's fake! I wrap tiny white lights around the branches inside the tree, then put multi color lights around the outer branches. It is a lovely effect! Why don't you go look at some already decorated in the stores and think about it during this season. You could probably get a good deal on one during the after Christmas sales.

We don't put our tree up until mid-December, but we always leave it up until Epiphany or later. We couldn't do that with a real tree with the heat on in the house. It would dry it out WAY too fast!

44,923 posted on 12/03/2002 3:29:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Maybe I don't have to start a new thread. We are all talked-out!
44,924 posted on 12/03/2002 5:12:16 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
We are all talked-out!

Not at all! We are just missing some of our talkers!

Hullo! Good evening!

44,925 posted on 12/03/2002 6:02:38 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
I found this in my mailbox this morning:

Thank you for posting that link! It is fun!

I actually made a clown that looked like Bill Clinton. Now that's evil!

44,926 posted on 12/03/2002 6:05:59 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
Hey Sam!

Australian pine, huh? Never heard of it. (Showing my tree ignorance here!)

By the way, how was the Thanksgiving visit with your daughter?

44,927 posted on 12/03/2002 6:08:16 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Let us know how it goes!
44,928 posted on 12/03/2002 6:09:55 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: SuziQ
We've had a fake tree for the last 7 yrs. We solved the 'scent dilemma' by placing heavily pine (or balsam) scented candles or potpourri in the same room.

Suzi - thanks for the suggestions. I'll pass them along to my family and see what they think.

44,929 posted on 12/03/2002 6:16:07 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton; 2Jedismom; SuziQ; JenB; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; ...
I didn't get the tree tonight - the lines were too long at the supermarket and I just wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible.

I didn't get any SPAM either, but I did get the beef stew and chicken and dumplings that 2J mentioned. I'll taste test them and see if I've found a shortcut for quick lunches around here!

And, of course, it figures that I finally get a chance to visit the Hobbit Hole at night and there is no one to talk to. I don't know how long I'll be online, but I'll pop back in if I can! :)

44,930 posted on 12/03/2002 6:19:08 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Look out! There's a funkle in the road!

Always glad to help! :)
44,931 posted on 12/03/2002 6:30:17 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I refused to post another thing until I saw a response! I do not need another keyword added to my name! LOL!

While I was waiting, I saw an awesome TTT trailer on TV! I get so giddy and excited when I see them, I embarrass myself. :)

44,932 posted on 12/03/2002 6:33:27 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
I saw an awesome TTT trailer on TV!

We saw one here as well (we're watching "24")... it was the same one Rose saw on Thanksgiving Day. The excitement is building... it's gettin' so we can't hardly wait!

44,933 posted on 12/03/2002 6:38:19 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RMDupree; Bear_in_RoseBear
Hullo night dwellers. I am re-organizing all my stuff in my computer.... bet I break something! Heh!
44,934 posted on 12/03/2002 6:38:33 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RMDupree
Funkle Dupree
44,935 posted on 12/03/2002 6:39:23 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RMDupree
Australian pine, huh? Never heard of it.

I saw these for the first time when we went down to Key West in Jan. of 2001. They are neat looking, and when I asked the tour guide at Ft. Zachary Taylor about them, he said "Take some home with you, please!!" As Sam said, they are considered 'pest plants', though I bet they're not as bad as KUDZU!!

44,936 posted on 12/03/2002 6:39:34 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
That's the same one I saw then. My hubby is watching 24 right next to me! :)
44,937 posted on 12/03/2002 6:41:07 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; RMDupree
Shoot! I almost never watch TV anymore, so I keep missing the trailers. I am fixing to go check the second part of "Taken", though, I wonder if I'll see a TTT trailer there?
44,938 posted on 12/03/2002 6:41:27 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hello Hair! As you can see, I finally made it into the Hole after 5PM! Yippee!
44,939 posted on 12/03/2002 6:42:31 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
See, we're not all talked-out yet!

Have you made backups of all your data?
44,940 posted on 12/03/2002 6:42:55 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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