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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
Right, the cloak, I didn't forget the cloak. In fact, it was uppermost in my mind as I selected that picture. The cloak is just such an important... oh, never mind, you know very well that I wasn't really interested in the cloak.
4,441 posted on 05/06/2002 9:59:18 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB;2Jedismom
You know, my Dad would probably faint if I brought home a guy with messy long hair, a cloak and a sword, but he doesn't really know quality does he? All he would see would be the long-haired rock star wannabe's I dated in high school.
4,442 posted on 05/06/2002 10:18:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, I'm not sure that any man but a fierce warrior type with kingly prospects could get past my dad's threatened screening process.

But Mom would definitely have a problem with the longish stringy hair.

4,443 posted on 05/06/2002 10:32:05 AM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
My folks nearly fainted when they met my husband when we first started dating! He had on running shorts, knee-high socks (one with red stripes, one with blue stipes)and a short-sleeve dress shirt. I was just mortified! I asked him "WHY did you dress like that??" and he said "What? I put on a nice shirt?"!

Over the past 14 years he has slowly evolved from thinking that clothes were merely something to temporarily cover your nakedness to thinking that clothes can actually be nice!

4,444 posted on 05/06/2002 10:32:40 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
The cloak is just such an important...

accessory. Got to have those accessories!

4,445 posted on 05/06/2002 10:48:03 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom;HairOfTheDog;JenB
Think we've got the guys embarrassed yet? :)
4,446 posted on 05/06/2002 10:52:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Dunno... I think they've just been hiding today. Shall I post more pictures to see if I can flush 'em out from wherever they are?
4,447 posted on 05/06/2002 11:02:07 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Sounds like a plan!
4,448 posted on 05/06/2002 11:02:56 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Right, then! How about this?

I like this one - it looks like his hair's on fire!

4,449 posted on 05/06/2002 11:10:19 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Maybe we should use that one for a night light.
4,450 posted on 05/06/2002 11:20:02 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
That's a cool idea... the picture hasn't attracted any of our guy friends though, I wonder why? Maybe I should post more. What do you think?
4,451 posted on 05/06/2002 11:25:38 AM PDT by JenB
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To: carton253
Viggo as Aragorn is sexy as all get out. Viggo as Viggo is not... it's got to be the sword.

Definitely.

Viggo as Viggo is just.....very, very strange....lol

4,452 posted on 05/06/2002 11:29:13 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: JenB
the picture hasn't attracted any of our guy friends though, I wonder why?

They're waiting on Arwen pictures, I suppose.

4,453 posted on 05/06/2002 11:32:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
You should have seen me trying to get just the right frame for that one--getting the sword yet without it blocking his face was a fun challenge.
4,454 posted on 05/06/2002 11:34:12 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
I can hear his mother: "Aragorn, get that sword out of your face!" LOL
4,455 posted on 05/06/2002 11:37:26 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB;Overtaxed;HairOfTheDog
...sigh, why aren't there more guys like this available?

Oh, ok, here's one:

;^)

-Kevin

4,456 posted on 05/06/2002 12:19:54 PM PDT by ksen
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To: JenB;Overtaxed;HairOFTheDog;Penny1;2Jedismom
See, he's got the long shaggy hair thing going, he's got ratty clothes, looks a little grubby, HE'S PERFECT! Well, you may have to share make-up bags with him, but hey, who's perfect?

I like honey mustard sauce with my wings, thank you. ;^)

-Kevin

4,457 posted on 05/06/2002 12:24:25 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I'll admit it's scruffy-looking but I don't know about the thing-of-action part.

Honey mustard sounds good! Think I'll stop off for some wings on the way home.

4,458 posted on 05/06/2002 12:26:56 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I hope you had your safety goggles on before you looked at #4456. ;^)

-Kevin

4,459 posted on 05/06/2002 12:32:22 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Yes I did! But they don't have anti-weird coating on them. :D
4,460 posted on 05/06/2002 12:39:32 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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