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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom
Well, who am I to argue with the Lord!? I took the turkey gratefully and we'll be having it for Thanksgiving!

And y'all can say a special prayer on Thanksgiving for the 'Turkey Lady'!

43,421 posted on 11/22/2002 3:19:59 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: maquiladora
I had no problems last year, got them a few days early.

We're going to a middle of the day showing on the day after it comes out. We shouldn't have any trouble getting tickets then. When we went last year, two days after it came out, I think Sir SuziQ went in the morning to get tickets for the 3pm show. Maybe we'll go the day it opens to get tickets for the following morning, just to be safe!

43,422 posted on 11/22/2002 3:25:51 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JenB
Awwww come on sis! - Its a snow day! put on some mittens and go for a walk! Throw some snowballs! You only live once!

I used to get really excited about snow before I had horses. I love to go driving in it, look at how it changed the landscape, and help out people that had gotten in trouble. We get snow so infrequently here (Maybe 3-4 days a year) I loved how everything comes to a halt here. No one ever has to be anywhere if there is snow. The whole world slows down for a day.

Now snow means the horses can't walk, the trees that overhang my wire get heavy and weigh on the fence, the horses become afraid to be in because the snow melts off the trees and thumps onto the roof of their shelter with a thud. I have to go around and clear the fenceline, and the section that is electric tape stretches and sags and needs to be tightened. The hoses and water buckets freeze and it is hard to get water to the horses. Snow now means work!
43,423 posted on 11/22/2002 3:31:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, I do like snow, but it's too dark and cold out now. And if it gets icy, well....
43,424 posted on 11/22/2002 3:41:38 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Not humming "Winter Wonderland" eh? rats.

Opportunity missed!
43,425 posted on 11/22/2002 3:45:47 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Maybe later, when there's a reaon to hum. Right now I am too stuffed up.
43,426 posted on 11/22/2002 3:55:52 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Well, you are hard to cheer up on a Friday night! If I were there I would take you out for a pizza and some music that is too loud.

I am not sure what happened to my Friday steak "date" with my friend. I am usually off having red meat by now on a Friday. hmmm... Woe is us!
43,427 posted on 11/22/2002 4:01:18 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am just feeling under the weather. Tomorrow I will have fun. Tonight I am surrounded by homework. Still, there is time to Freep so life is not too bad.
43,428 posted on 11/22/2002 4:04:05 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
No... life is not bad at all! - I have to go clean stalls in a bit. All this thinking about snow coming is making me think of some pre-emptive measures I can take to make things easier. Gonna see if Dad can come down soon with his chain-saw on a stick.
43,429 posted on 11/22/2002 4:10:30 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB; Ramius
Heh.... It just occurred to me that my brother is in Philadelphia this week.

Ramius, is it snowing? - Did you remember to bring a coat? ;~D
43,430 posted on 11/22/2002 4:21:56 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Philly's a long way away. He might not be getting wet.
43,431 posted on 11/22/2002 4:23:24 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
I still bet he didn't bring a coat ;~D
43,432 posted on 11/22/2002 4:26:44 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, and then he will get a cold and learn better.
43,433 posted on 11/22/2002 4:29:45 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Heh. OK - Time to go out and scoop poop so the ponies have clean beds. Back in a bit!
43,434 posted on 11/22/2002 4:32:22 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well gee whiz this thread is hoppin' tonight!


43,435 posted on 11/22/2002 5:21:10 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm busy scooping crap tonight.
43,436 posted on 11/22/2002 5:25:58 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I am done scooping crap! - At least for tonight. Tomorrow I expect, there will be more...
43,437 posted on 11/22/2002 5:29:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I suppose there's some cat crap available....
43,438 posted on 11/22/2002 5:31:40 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am here, I was over on a weird Koran thread with these two very strange people who seem to be future cult leaders. I didn't dare post; don't want to get smote!
43,439 posted on 11/22/2002 5:31:40 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Link me! Sounds fascinating.
43,440 posted on 11/22/2002 5:36:26 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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