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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: carton253
Nice analysis!

I love the new scenes too. It is a different movie. In the Director's commentary PJ said that for the most part when cutting it down, they decided that FoTR had to be Frodo's story first, and when they had to cut things, they cut things that they felt did not move Frodo's story along in particular. That makes sense.

Most intense for me is the new scene at the Council. Favorite new part is also Lothlorien... all of it! -From the new scene entering the forest all the way to the departure at the river. Love every minute of it except for the Halloween moment, where I still take my leave.

I like Aragorn's new depth too. Even if it adds to his reluctant-king persona, I think it is a good plot.

I like that Legolas smiles. The lembas scene and the scene in the boat made me realize that he never smiled in the original. I didn't miss it in its absence, but I sure notice it now!

I thought the weakest new scene was the conversation with Bilbo at the party when they are hiding. I like that they had a scene, but the words are not quite right... I don't like his "I am selfish", and "it wasn't charity". They just seem to be "not quite the right words". I don't want to put too fine a point on it, because I like Frodo's reaction to Bilbo, and I like that Bilbo is not quite, in the end, able to articulate his feelings for Frodo, but you know he has love for him. I come from such a family, and I am used to non-spoken love that feels clumsy when we try to speak to each other about it.
42,161 posted on 11/18/2002 10:03:45 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: carton253
Excellent, Smeagol! I agree with your analysis. It is a completely new movie. The one they should have released in the first place.

My favorite extended parts were: 1)Lorien (especially the "smile" ;^)) 2) Hobbiton and the Hobbits - Bilbo's opening narration, Green Dragon etc... and 3) the increased "fleshing out" of Boromir and Aragorn, which made the Boromir death scene all the more poignant.

Now think how much more "fleshing out" TTT is going to give us! I can't wait!

42,162 posted on 11/18/2002 10:33:20 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: carton253; ksen; g'nad
CELEBORN – He has more to do… and takes his place as the King of Lothlorien.

And all this time we've been ragging on Elrond and his precious Rivendell when Celeborn does the same with Lothlorien. All of Middle Earth is in danger and the only thing these elves think of is their property values!

It's a good thing we didn't go to Mirkwood, then we'd have to hear the same crap from Thranduil (sp?)

42,163 posted on 11/18/2002 11:14:54 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad
For someone who spends all his extra time on the throne, he better be considered the king.
42,164 posted on 11/18/2002 11:19:31 AM PST by ksen
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To: carton253
That does it! The car can wait for a new muffler - I'm getting the extended version now!
42,165 posted on 11/18/2002 11:29:34 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
That is what we are here for... to make sure your priorities are in order. Personally I don't see where a muffler should be considered a vital part of a car.
42,166 posted on 11/18/2002 11:41:39 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'll continue driving about the neighborhood in a loud car, sounding like a hell's angel...oh well!
42,167 posted on 11/18/2002 11:46:28 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions; Scott from the Left Coast
Your car will just sound like the windy elf.... ;^)
42,168 posted on 11/18/2002 11:53:46 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: HairOfTheDog
I think the added Aragorn a relunctant king is a good plot device because it gives Aragorn a chance to grow.. which is needed if his story is going to be satisifactory.

In my short reading of Lord of the Rings, Tolkien is telling two stories... Frodo and Aragorn. But, Aragorn's is the most unsatisfying in the book because he is stern and cold. But, when you meet Aragorn in the Appendixes and find that he has Merry and Pippin buried with him, then you realize what a fine man he was.

I didn't really like Aragorn of the book. I like Aragorn of the movie. I especially like Aragorn of the SE. Now, if I was the director, I would have taken out the scene where he says he doesn't want to be king. As OT pointed out, that is the exact opposite of the book.

Yet, without that relunctance, there will be no pay off when he assumes his role. Which, you see him doing in the SE as opposed to the movie.

You are right... Legalos didn't smile. He was intense and serious. The only time he smiled in the orginial was when Aragorn said, "let's hunt some orc."

The major improvement is to the Hobbits. How nice to see them be an active part of the Fellowship. Merry, Pippin, and Boromir fighting together in the last scene was perfect. Don't get too near the boys, them Hobbits can throw rocks.

I agree with the Galadriel "halloween scene". I guess PJ was trying to be consist with the perversion of Smeagol by the ring. It is replayed in Rivendell with Bilbo. After seeing the new, I feel very cheated with the original Lothlorien scenes.

42,169 posted on 11/18/2002 11:56:28 AM PST by carton253
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; NewCenturions
If the car sounds like a windy elf, he dern well better get it fixed quick, or the cops will see a cash cow.
42,170 posted on 11/18/2002 12:31:58 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: carton253; All
I loved your review! Quite concise with a lot of good points!

Been busy today. I'll be in and out all week. Hopefully, I'll have more time to post tomorrow! :)

42,171 posted on 11/18/2002 1:03:05 PM PST by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom
Evening Hobbit Ping!

I had a good day at work. Tonight I have a thing up at school but I'm back in the writing groove and should have something soon.

For our new Hole, has anyone suggested

The New New Hobbit Hole
Hobbits on Parade
Hobbit Hole 3: Hobbit Harder
A Hard Hobbit to Break
Yet Another Bloody Hobbit Hole (could then use initials)

Just kidding! I like "Long-Expected Party"...
42,172 posted on 11/18/2002 2:18:24 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
LOL You are so funny!

Tonight all the little Cub Scouts are coming to the house to learn how to use tools. They are working in the shop. I have to get supper made and then I'm outta here! Going to my parents.
42,173 posted on 11/18/2002 2:22:54 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL You are so funny!

Thanks... I try hard. I have a great sense of humor online but in RL my jokes fall flat.

42,174 posted on 11/18/2002 2:25:15 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom; ksen; g'nad; carton253; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Sam Cree; ...
Hullo all! We are back.

Wife and Jr. are gone to pick up the dog from the kennel, and I've got water heating for pasta for dinner...mmm...pasta.

Thank you all for your prayers and words of support for the family. It was a difficult weekend, but things went well. The service was a wonderful tribute. And, he was buried with full military honors. It was pouring down rain, but everyone chose to walk behind the casket that was carried on a horse drawn carriage. Ft. Bragg sent three soldiers to perform the honors.

From here, life goes on. My mother-in-law is probably moving in with us after the first of the year. We all agree that we don't need to rush.

My wife was incredible. She handled the one major flare-up with her siblings with grace and style and a "back off of that crap or get the heck out attitude."

And, in spite of all our trials with Jr., he was a champ. This was hard and we saw him show that some. But he stood with his cousins and greeted guests all evening long and he was brave and strong at the service. With all the people in the house the trash had to go out about five times a day and he never complained. We'll get back to work on those grades tomorrow...

I was the good brother-in-law and arranged for my wife's brothers and the brothers-in-law to go out for pints and wings. We'd never done that before. We went to one of those...um....(cough)...uh...um..."Pints and Wings" places...

I gotta go. Don't know when I'll be around. I have a rehearsal tonite and will need to get caught up on lots.

I'm not going to read back through the posts, since I assume that if it was important, we'll eventually bring it up again. I'm also definitely throwing in the towel on NaNoWriMo. I just don't have the time.

Take care. I'll be in and out.

Corin

42,175 posted on 11/18/2002 3:35:15 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Welcome back Corin. Glad that it went as well as it could, and I am glad your son had an opportunity to impress you. You both need that once in a while!
42,176 posted on 11/18/2002 3:38:57 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Welcome home, Corin. Glad to hear everything went as well as it could. Sounds like it was quite a moving service!

Check back in when you can...no rush, though you ARE missed.

42,177 posted on 11/18/2002 3:57:16 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; JenB; HairOfTheDog; All
Hello, all. Another day and still no job news and no new findings, and I'm starting to wonder what's gonna happen. Got a call from one of the other people that got laid off when I did to tell me she'd gotten a job starting tomorrow, which didn't help MY mood much, though I'm happy for her. And I'm starting to get some pressure from family friends who, granted, mean well...but it isn't much help. I think they think I'm being too picky, but the trouble is, most of the jobs around here are pretty low paying - maybe seven or eight dollars an hour, which is OK if it's what you're used to and if you don't have a house and a car and pets and all the bills that go with 'em...but I do now, and I need something better. So I'm stuck waiting. Grrr! Why it takes three weeks to review a resume, I don't understand, but that's what they tell me they're still doing.

Got the tune, 2J! Thanks! Hopefully I can get it printed out and start learning it over the next week or so.

It's seven o'clock and I haven't written a single word yet today. Think I can write a few thousand in the next couple of hours? Guess I gotta try.

42,178 posted on 11/18/2002 4:05:17 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
WB Corin. Glad to hear that things went as well as anyone could expect under such circumstances.

Last week was mostly about the SE. Please feel free to post new elfbashes. :)

42,179 posted on 11/18/2002 4:07:59 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton; g'nad
Rosie, I was an employment counselor too in a past life, with a particular flair for resumes... if you want me to look at yours or make it pretty, email it to me!

And don't start wondering if it is gonna happen. It really hasn't been that long, and it is not a good time of year. many have vacations and holidays coming up, and might be waiting till the first of the year even if they do have an opening.

Do you want us to have g'nad snuff out the person that got the job already? - We would all do whatever we can to help!

42,180 posted on 11/18/2002 4:31:28 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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