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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
So should we just end the thread there then?
42,001 posted on 11/17/2002 8:50:29 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
No!! I've never seen a thread just implode at the end....I have got to see that!

I say we start the new thread when this one won't allow any more posting. Let's name it "Welcome to Middle Earth" or something...I don't care. I just want to see this thread come to a conclusion.

I never got over how abruptly we left the "New Zealander builds Hobbit Hole".
42,002 posted on 11/17/2002 8:56:26 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
You thought we left abruptly? - Goodness we talked about it for a week or more!

It had to be abrupt or y'all never would have moved!

Get to posting if you want to see this one implode! - We need a new one for TTT.
42,003 posted on 11/17/2002 9:19:25 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I thought 50,000 posts might be a nice round number to end at... but filling up the thread so that it can't take any more posts sounds kind of fun too.

I wish LCS were here to tell us how long it would take to reach ~65k!
42,004 posted on 11/17/2002 9:19:33 AM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Get to posting if you want to see this one implode! - We need a new one for TTT.

Encouraging spam, are we?

42,005 posted on 11/17/2002 9:26:05 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear
I guess it sounds that way!

Well folks! - I am out the door! - On my way up to the beach house for a home theater extravaganza - oh, and to visit my family too!
42,006 posted on 11/17/2002 9:31:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thank you, Bear.
42,007 posted on 11/17/2002 9:53:49 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Maybe my standards have been set too high, but those movies hold no interest for me. It was torture sitting thru them.

We had gotten Star Wars AOTC from Netflix for our son. We watched it last night, and Sir SuziQ remarked on how cheesy it seemed after having watched FoTR!

42,008 posted on 11/17/2002 10:25:33 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
(They never did, of course because Mama was a walking pacifier...hahahah!)

LOL! Yeah, that's fine unless you've got a barracuda who slurps while he's eating!

42,009 posted on 11/17/2002 10:28:37 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I thought it sucked also. Especially since the protagonist was an idiot.

I did enjoy the computer generated whatever it is stuff, though. And Christopher Lee, too, now that I am an admirer of him.
42,010 posted on 11/17/2002 10:37:11 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
JRD has the worst luck!
42,011 posted on 11/17/2002 10:58:20 AM PST by John Farson
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To: Sam Cree
And Christopher Lee, too, now that I am an admirer of him.

Well, the Count escaped at the end of AOTC, so I guess Christopher Lee will be reprising his role in the next Star Wars film. Amazing how much work he's had recently, good for him!

42,012 posted on 11/17/2002 11:11:09 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I really enjoy listening to Lee's voice...One of my favorite parts of FOTR is listening to his voice resonate when he calls "down the mountain" on the fellowship, while they are attempting the pass at Caradhras.
42,013 posted on 11/17/2002 11:16:55 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: SuziQ; HairOfTheDog
I'm spending Thanksgiving with my daughter who just bought a 65" high definition system with the sound stuff too. She called yesterday to tell me she has purchased the Special Edition too! I can't wait! She really knows how to torture me. lol
42,014 posted on 11/17/2002 11:19:55 AM PST by My back yard
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To: Sam Cree
What did you think of the Extended Version, when Gandalf called back?
42,015 posted on 11/17/2002 11:25:14 AM PST by Rocko
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To: Rocko
I didn't see the extended version yet.

A bunch of us are getting together, including my twin brother and his family, for thanksgiving, which coincides with Chanukah this year. So, if my daughter will get it for me for Chanukah, while she's home from college for thanksgiving, we can all watch it together one night, as there are some fans in the family.

But I liked Gandalf's voice pretty much at the bridge with the "You shall not Pass!," etc.
42,016 posted on 11/17/2002 11:32:11 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed
Does anyone know what Gimli says to Haldir before entering Lorien?
42,017 posted on 11/17/2002 12:01:50 PM PST by John Farson
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To: John Farson
According to The Elvish Dialog List...

It is an unkind answer of Gimli to Haldir. Included in the extended DVD edition of FotR. The words don't have any clear meaning. It is to imitate the language of the Dwarves.

Ishkhaqwi ai durugnul.

42,018 posted on 11/17/2002 12:34:57 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Thanks! It is a pity Tolkien didn't reveal more about Khuzdul.
42,019 posted on 11/17/2002 1:18:40 PM PST by John Farson
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To: John Farson; 2Jedismom
At least we know it wasn't "The axes of the Dwarves are among you!" :)

Really. If Khuzdul is supposed to be a secret language of the Dwarves, how come Aragorn got after Gimli like that? For all Aragorn knew, he could have been saying "hello!"

42,020 posted on 11/17/2002 1:44:50 PM PST by Overtaxed
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