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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: RosieCotton
NaNoWriMo sneak...
39,301 posted on 11/06/2002 8:00:36 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
That's it Bear! Can you imagine it sung by Mick Jagger? It is actually very good with the Chieftans behind him.
39,302 posted on 11/06/2002 8:03:25 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: All
Sorry about that..it's been forever since I did any sneaking, and since I knew I actually had a CHANCE, for once...
39,303 posted on 11/06/2002 8:03:35 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Going to look... here's mine. I have been out gloating with my fellow conservative friend from school. Almost time for bed...
39,304 posted on 11/06/2002 8:04:38 PM PST by JenB
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To: Sam Cree; RosieCotton; Overtaxed; SuziQ

Look What Thoughts Will Do (Boxed Set)

by Lefty Frizzell... two disc set has 34 songs, including "The Long Black Veil".

39,305 posted on 11/06/2002 8:05:55 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RosieCotton
it's been forever since I did any sneaking

That's the second time today I've missed the Precious by one or two and didn't even realize it! That's what I get for having to catch up on posts!

39,306 posted on 11/06/2002 8:06:19 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: RosieCotton
Sorry about that..it's been forever since I did any sneaking, and since I knew I actually had a CHANCE, for once

That's okay. I've gotten to where I don't read posts 00's +/- 10 anyway. :)

39,307 posted on 11/06/2002 8:09:32 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Most of the time.
39,308 posted on 11/06/2002 8:10:26 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
Hi. Another great Lefty-related album is Willie Nelson's To Lefty From Willy, filled with Lefty covers.
39,309 posted on 11/06/2002 8:10:40 PM PST by Rocko
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oooh...I wants!

Thanks for the tip! Maybe when I become employed agin...

39,310 posted on 11/06/2002 8:11:38 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: JenB
Hereditary assassins...that's an interesting idea! She's an awful snoot, though, isn't she?
39,311 posted on 11/06/2002 8:13:55 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Yes, she is. Don't worry; Gil does not fall for her.

Goodnight all. See you tomorrow in class.
39,312 posted on 11/06/2002 8:15:10 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB; Overtaxed
Good night, Jen! Time for this hobbit to head out, too...

Hope things fall into place for you soon, OT. I end up having to spend time away from the computer or notebook, just sitting with my eyes close trying to get the characters to play their parts out so I can document 'em. But I got stuck for awhile at the beginning. And I didn't have the additional obstacle of having started the ideas the day before this whole challenge started. I'm sure you'll pull through and do fine.

39,313 posted on 11/06/2002 8:17:56 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; All
Evening place marker....

I just got back from having some pints and red meat at the tavern. See y'all in the morning!
39,314 posted on 11/06/2002 8:22:29 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
And I didn't have the additional obstacle of having started the ideas the day before this whole challenge started.

I don't like this story. Maybe I should start over again. :))

Art can't be rushed!

39,315 posted on 11/06/2002 8:40:53 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; All
Morning all! Not much time to be around here today.

I got NO writing done yesterday. Am trying to decide if Blake/John has a love interest in a coma from the incident (whatever that turns out to be) that put him in the situation between the two identities.

Trying to decide WHO put him in that situation. They're controlling everything --- that much I know.

Trying to decide if T.H. and Maria (who I have already figured out are the contacts for "them" even though Blake/John doesn't know it), are part of a galactic counsel of some sort...filler, I need filler (as opposed to Elrond who needs fiber).

Gotta run...I have a Board meeting today, so I don't anticipate being back here until after that.

Also, my f-i-l is in ICU. Went in yesterday. He's stable, but not well. I think we're down to weeks, if not days. I'll try to keep y'all posted, but if I suddenly disappear for a few days, that's where I am.

Later.

39,316 posted on 11/07/2002 3:51:46 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Morning Corin, hope things will be as good as possible for you father in law.

Is your story posted all in one spot anywhere?

See you later, hope the meeting goes OK too.

39,317 posted on 11/07/2002 5:17:45 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Overtaxed
Art can't be rushed!

Sounds like something Snoopy would say...........He probably wouldn't have done to well at NaNoWriMo.


39,318 posted on 11/07/2002 5:18:49 AM PST by ksen
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To: All
Good morning, All.

It's chilly in Miami this morning, only 64 degrees at the moment, today's high only in the mid 70's.

Nice fall weather, though.
39,319 posted on 11/07/2002 5:21:26 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
Trying to decide WHO put him in that situation. They're controlling everything --- that much I know.

Just make sure "they" have lots of black helicopters.

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Still praying for your family.

39,320 posted on 11/07/2002 5:21:32 AM PST by ksen
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