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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Sam Cree; Overtaxed
Thanks Sam! - That is really nice of you to say!

What a waste of a day! - I spent the whole day mad and scared! He said some things that were downright sociopathic. I really didn't know how to react. He did call and back-pedal and try to make a joke of it, but jokes were not called for (nor do I believe he was joking)... I will be a bit more wary of him from now on. I have the whole email exchange but I am trying not to read it any more.

I would like to take passive aggressive lessons OT, I want to someday be able to work "bless your heart" into a conversation naturally!
37,681 posted on 10/29/2002 3:15:49 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
I'm the opposite. Rough drafts are hard to get out. It's in the revisions that I come up with the better ideas.
37,682 posted on 10/29/2002 3:15:53 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; All
Hey! Look! I got my webpage up! Thank you so much, Bear!

Link to the currently empty first page. But I put up a list of characters and such so I can keep things straight

37,683 posted on 10/29/2002 3:16:59 PM PST by JenB
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To: Overtaxed; JenB
I can't STOP editing when I am writing. I will tweak and fiddle with words until someone cuts me off. I am never happy with it!
37,684 posted on 10/29/2002 3:18:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hehe....practice using "Bless your/his/her heart" to preface backhanded compliments.

Bless his heart, he doesn't know what he's doing, but he tries.

37,685 posted on 10/29/2002 3:19:47 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Bless his heart... He has no idea I put arsenic in his coffee.

(Oh wait... that's not really passive aggression is it?)

I will keep working on it!

37,686 posted on 10/29/2002 3:26:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can't STOP editing when I am writing. I will tweak and fiddle with words until someone cuts me off. I am never happy with it!

Oh I don't do "language edit" until after I've got story edit done.

37,687 posted on 10/29/2002 3:32:11 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
that's not really passive aggression is it?

You need a backhanded compliment or something like: "Bless your heart, I'm so sorry you have such a flat learning curve."

That's right. A backhanded compliment or insincere sympathy.

37,688 posted on 10/29/2002 3:36:16 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Ahh... I've got it better now. I shall keep practicing.
37,689 posted on 10/29/2002 3:41:05 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; ksen; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Overtaxed
Always ready when duty calls...

You got that right... just got done consuming about 2 lbs of red meat off the bone... grilled some steaks and whole mushrooms on the grill... it's rainin' and about 40 degrees, but the wife wanted to grill... We live on the second story of base quarters, so I was standin' out in the cold rain fer about 30 minutes... I did my duty without grumbling...buuuuuuurp!....aahhhhh....

37,690 posted on 10/29/2002 3:57:55 PM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Such a good husband standing out in the cold grilling 'cuz his lady likes it!

Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy!
37,691 posted on 10/29/2002 4:14:16 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
A warm and fuzzy thread killer!


37,692 posted on 10/29/2002 5:21:53 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I will be a bit more wary of him from now on. I have the whole email exchange but I am trying not to read it any more.

Whatever you do DO NOT DELETE the e-mail. You may need it someday!

I would like to take passive aggressive lessons OT, I want to someday be able to work "bless your heart" into a conversation naturally!

It's really quite easy. When the jerk starts going off again, put on a real concerned look and say "Well, Bless Your Heart, you must be havin a bad day! He'll probably look at you like you've gone nuts, but I'll bet it shuts him up for awhile!

37,693 posted on 10/29/2002 5:22:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Oh look! - There were folk comin' down the thread if I was just more patient!

Thanks Suzi... I am savin' it. If this is just the start of a person self-destructing, I will not be the only one who knows for long. If it really was a joke, it will at least be the last time I am a willing participant in it.

I just want to wipe the whole thing offa me.
37,694 posted on 10/29/2002 5:28:57 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I didn't do anything about it. I dropped my sword and fell, like Frodo. I am too astonished to fight with this thing.

That is just exactly how I felt when that bald-faced loon of a shrink socked into me that morning. Astonished and shaken.

If he were to approach me now, I am pretty sure I'd kick his ass.

I can say ass...it's in the Bible.

37,695 posted on 10/29/2002 5:56:16 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
You two boys are exactly what I needed! - I said, Hmmm... What would make me feel better? - Stewing and fuming? - Or sending my friends the dwarves after him?

See?! Precisely why this was the first place I came after Steve brought me home that Sunday.

37,696 posted on 10/29/2002 5:59:57 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
Anybody here.........?
37,697 posted on 10/29/2002 6:01:12 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
Looks left......
37,698 posted on 10/29/2002 6:01:41 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
Looks right......
37,699 posted on 10/29/2002 6:01:58 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog; SuziQ
SNAIG!
37,700 posted on 10/29/2002 6:02:21 PM PST by ksen
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