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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
The Hole is quiet! I am eating dinner and considering an early bed-time. I don't even feel very interesting! Have anything interesting happening on your side of town?

35,521 posted on 10/18/2002 8:02:42 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
[snicker]
35,522 posted on 10/18/2002 8:03:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Well, considering how many rude men there are, it's nice to have a few nice ones around now and then.
35,523 posted on 10/18/2002 8:04:25 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
My wife is off playing with the gal-friends. And I'm on my own at the keyboard (with very Celtic sounding Jethro Tull in the background). Taking care of dogs, feeding myself etc. Footloose and fancy free. Sort of.
35,524 posted on 10/18/2002 8:06:02 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JenB
Ooooh. You're a sweet-talker too!!!

I feel Aragorn like already!

Which is pretty good for an Elf.

35,525 posted on 10/18/2002 8:07:37 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JenB
I think our men of the hobbit hole are the nicest men on Free Republic or anywhere!
35,526 posted on 10/18/2002 8:08:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
[Blush]
35,527 posted on 10/18/2002 8:09:22 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Heh.... did you see this?

Viking Kittens (flash)

I am kinda hooked on it... Its a riot!

35,528 posted on 10/18/2002 8:11:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, but they're married!
35,529 posted on 10/18/2002 8:11:21 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
No, I've never seen that before. Zeppelin eh?

Did you know Ian Anderson keeps (and contributes generously to groups that help) endangered wild cats??

35,530 posted on 10/18/2002 8:14:36 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: JenB
Well, yeah.... I know. It works out that way alot
35,531 posted on 10/18/2002 8:15:11 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Well, I've got a Free Republic kind-of-gal (for 22 years now), but if I didn't you guys would be the kind that would first on the list!
35,532 posted on 10/18/2002 8:15:50 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yes, yes. Well... hate to say it but I have to go to bed. See you tomorrow, I hope, if I'm not snowed under with chores all day.
35,533 posted on 10/18/2002 8:15:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Like big cats? - No - I didn't know that!
35,534 posted on 10/18/2002 8:16:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
I'll be around for the early part of the day, then Penny and I will be movie watching at my brother's house for the evening!
35,535 posted on 10/18/2002 8:17:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah, wild cats, South American kind and even those that are close to house-cat size. His Jethro Tull website (J-Tull.com) has links to his wild cat support groups. They do a helluva lot of good with these endangered cats. It's worth a look.

And besides, there's no music anything like Tull!

35,536 posted on 10/18/2002 8:19:04 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Cool.... I will check it out!
35,537 posted on 10/18/2002 8:30:59 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
< blush! > Awwww, thankee kindly Ma'am!
35,538 posted on 10/18/2002 8:44:09 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Scott from the Left Coast; HairOfTheDog
Wife is busy making MP3s with her new 'puter... currently listening to the MP3 of "Sing, Sing, Sing" by the Benny Goodman Orchestra, from the Live at Carnegie Hall performance...

I defy anyone to keep still while listening to it!
35,539 posted on 10/18/2002 8:46:58 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Benny Goodman was one of my dad's favorites (damn, how I miss him). I love the music.

I'm listening to Jethro Tull right now (think Chieftains with a little touch of The Who), very different from that, but then I'm eclectic in my tastes!

35,540 posted on 10/18/2002 8:51:09 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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