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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Good afternoon! - Though it is still decidedly morning here... Got myself cleaned up and then cleaned the barn... not too smart to do it in that order!

Kids are sure durable... I remember recovering quickly! How wonderful that was.

Gonna have some breakfast and then head to town.
33,521 posted on 10/12/2002 10:42:31 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are folk around this weekend in the hobbit hole?

I logged on about 10 ish this morning, but got busy doing all kinds of stuff. I had to pick up the teacher materials for my daughter's Confirmation class (I'm teaching a different group from hers), went and looked a some lots on which a builder is putting up some new homes (way to close to the Interstate!), got some newly picked apples for the pie, filled up Sir SuziQ's car, then came back home to finish washing and drying his clothes for his bidness trip. Just hanging out right now waiting for the Chinese leftovers to finish heating for a late lunch. I'm gonna make the pie later on and we'll have that for supper!

It is a dreary, cool,rainy day here, but I can't complain because I haven't had to water the new grass seed for a couple of days! It is supposed to stay chilly all next week. I guess Fall has truly arrived. The colors are turning faster on the trees now, and it is just lovely!

When I was little, we used to go out 'to the country' to visit my Daddy's sister and her family. We loved running through the woods, playing with her bird dog, Mike, and watching the cows in the field next door. After she died, one of my brothers rented her house from her sons. It had been many years since I had been to the house and I drove right past it because I didn't realize it was so CLOSE to where our house was! It was only a couple of miles out of town, but when I was young, it seemed like it took forever!

33,522 posted on 10/12/2002 12:25:43 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can pick up the pony's new raincoat for this year

When I was out driving around today, I took a detour through some country roads. I saw a couple of horses in a paddock. One had on a rain blanket, but the other did not. I felt sorry for the one without; as I said before, it is rainy and chilly!

33,523 posted on 10/12/2002 12:29:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
I finally logged on to the name generator and got a couple of interesting names. My Elven name is 'Melinduneiel'. It is a lovely sounding name, but I consider my self a little more Hobbitish, and that one is 'Lobelia Grubb from Stock'!
33,524 posted on 10/12/2002 12:36:20 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
My hobbit name is May Loamsdown. Yuck.

Well, I have a hundred dollars worth of hotdogs and supplies ready for the pumpkin patch...and it's raining. If people don't show, I don't know if I'll get my money back...

ARGHHH!

33,525 posted on 10/12/2002 12:50:24 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: SuziQ
Hullo!

Well, horses don't actually need raincoats, any vet will tell you that... Left outside, they actually grow pretty protective coats. But I always remind my vet that horses do not natively live wild in this climate either, given a choice, they migrate south in winter.

I blanket Bay because if I do want to work him in winter, life is a lot better if he doesn't have three inches of hair.

The first year, I didn't blanket the pony. She doesn't do any work at all, and it wouldn't really matter if she grew three inches of hair, under most conditions she would be just fine. That is probably what is happening with the two you saw. One is probably going to be used this winter, the other isn't.

Then we had a bad storm. Six inches of snow, which then turned to freezing rain.

I didn't have my closed stalls in the barn yet, only their loafing shed which is under trees. The heavy ice and snow was cracking branches that were falling on the roof of the shelter, and their instincts told them to get away from the trees. So they stood out in the weather.

Bay was OK... His blanket keeps him perfectly dry, but the pony got soaked through and was in serious trouble. The rain fell on her and froze... and she was shivering with her head down. I think she was in real danger of becoming hypothermic.

I didn't own a blanket for her, I didn't have a place to lock them up inside, and I decided that would never happen again. I brought her in the lean-to and brought out every towel in the house and a spare comforter off my bed and started trying to get her dry and warm. I went to the store and bought her a blanket. A relatively cheap one, for emergencies. I still planned to only blanket her during really bad conditions, but Bay wears his 24/7 once the temperature stays below 45, so I gradually just started leaving hers on too because I felt the same as you when I looked out and one was protected and the other wasn't ;~D

And I built their closed stalls the next summer, so that I would not be stuck again with no way of getting them out of storms like that... Only put them in during extreme conditions.... Heh. Now they are put in most every night it might sprinkle. I am just a softy... But I am so grateful for the ability to not worry about them.

This year she got a premium blanket like Bay's new one... (This pic is last year's coats) I need to take a picture of them in their new blankets... they got really good ones this year, on sale, and they match ;~D


33,526 posted on 10/12/2002 1:42:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Hehehe - I have always wondered what would happen if I threw a party and nobody came!

Have they showed up yet? - Or are you still waiting?
33,527 posted on 10/12/2002 1:43:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Scott from the Left Coast
Hello! I have been cleaning nonstop since 8. No fun! We painted, carpet cleaned, did bedrooms... thimgs aren't bad now. Oh, I'm tired and I still have homework...

Scott, if you want Elf-y names, check at the back of Silmarilion - there's a short Elvish dictionary. You should be able to string something together! A couples times I have used the name "Elwen" - for "Elf-maid" or "Star-Maid". I like both meanings and it kinda suits me...

33,528 posted on 10/12/2002 1:50:26 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
Speaking of no one coming to the party, my friend just called, now she isn't coming till tomorrow morning. After I washed and put clean bedding in the beds and cleaned up the guest room of course. I guess it needed doing, but I get so few visitors it will probably have to be done again before the next ones.

Her husband is a nurse and works the night shift, and I guess he thought he was going to work but then isn't now, so she is staying home tonight instead of slumber party. What a bummer for me!
33,529 posted on 10/12/2002 1:51:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Hullo! I am gearing up to go to town still... I keep having little distractions!
33,530 posted on 10/12/2002 1:55:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, have fun when you get there...
33,531 posted on 10/12/2002 2:00:15 PM PDT by JenB
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To: SuziQ
That site also has...suprise, suprise....a Personality Test! This time I came out Frodo with Gandalf and Aragorn alternatives. What do I have to do to be a Took?!
33,532 posted on 10/12/2002 2:19:44 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: SuziQ
That site also has...suprise, suprise....a Personality Test! This time I came out Frodo with Gandalf and Aragorn alternatives. What do I have to do to be a Took?!
33,533 posted on 10/12/2002 2:19:45 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Doh! Doh!
33,534 posted on 10/12/2002 2:20:34 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
What do I have to do to be a Took?!

Must...resist...answering...

33,535 posted on 10/12/2002 2:25:09 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I suppose I could always push a corpse down a well....
33,536 posted on 10/12/2002 2:44:17 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
I liked the question about Elrond splitting his infinitives at his council.
33,537 posted on 10/12/2002 2:52:06 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: JenB; Overtaxed
I never have fun in town!

Well, that's not true... I like the guys at the feed store. When I walked in with my moldy hay, they said... "Man, That is crappy lookin' hay! - Where the heck did you buy that?!" They know darn well where I bought it, I come in every week. Actually, they get pretty mad when they get that kind of hay, because it makes them look bad, and you can't really tell it is bad until you open it.

They made sure I got two nice bales in exchange! So how can I stay mad?

And some bedding and grain, so I still didn't get out of there cheap.

And I picked up the pony's new raincoat. Don't know if it fits yet cuz she is clear out at pasture! I bet she comes in when I start unloading the truck.
33,538 posted on 10/12/2002 2:57:52 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
The dough is ready. Time to make the pizza!
33,539 posted on 10/12/2002 3:05:43 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I thought pizza came in boxes already made!
33,540 posted on 10/12/2002 3:13:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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