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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: JenB
movie inventions like references to dwarf tossing?
3,321 posted on 04/25/2002 7:07:18 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That and orc hunting...
3,322 posted on 04/25/2002 7:12:37 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
One of my MOST favorite lines in the movie is Boromir saying

"It is not yours save by unhappy chance. It might have been mine! It should have been mine! Give it to me!"

I'm quoting it from there book, here, but it sounds word for word in the movie! When I first heard it, I went "YES! Tolkien!" I think PJ had to understand that these phrases are dear to us fans and hearing them is an incredible feeling!

3,323 posted on 04/25/2002 7:14:51 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog;All
My father is a noble man, but his rule is failing. And then our... our people lose faith. He looks to me to make things right, and I, I would do it. I would see the glory of Gondor restored.

You know, the more I hear and see of Boromir the more I like him. He seems to represent Everyman. We want to do things right and we have noble goals and aspirations, but then our fallen nature gets in the way and mucks everything up.

Boromir was in torture and torment until he recognized and pledged fealty to Aragorn (in a Christ-like sort of way). Then he was able to die in peace, restored.

Personally, I blame it all in Denethor. He put WAY to much weight on Boromir’s shoulders. Looks like Denethor pinned the survival of all of Gondor on the ability of Boromir. And Boromir, being the dutiful son, took up the burden as his own. Reminds me of Robert the Bruce and his father in Braveheart.

-Kevin

3,324 posted on 04/25/2002 7:18:34 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Oh boy! Denethor bashing!
3,325 posted on 04/25/2002 7:22:46 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I tried to start up some Celeborn bashing in #3317, but nobody took the bait. ;^)

To paraphrase the old Christmas rhyme: "Bash away! Bash away! Bash away all!"

-Kevin

3,326 posted on 04/25/2002 7:26:57 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I especially like the part where Boromir says "Why do you recoil? I am no thief!" And then he tries to take the Ring by force because it should have been his. He was trying to justify taking the Ring, because it was against his nature to outright steal it. It is that way with so many things that are probably wrong for us...

Like bootleg videos...[cringe] ;-)

3,327 posted on 04/25/2002 7:27:48 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed;All
Did anyone else see Cate Blanchett in that Billy Bob Thornton movie Bandits? My wife and I watched it this past weekend. As I was watching I kept wondering "Why is Galadriel wearing a red wig and robbing a bank?" It just goes to show you that you think you know someone and then.....

-Kevin

3,328 posted on 04/25/2002 7:30:06 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
"Bash away! Bash away! Bash away all!"

Can I use this?

The flanged one is what I'd like to have when I answer the door.
3,329 posted on 04/25/2002 7:33:20 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
I especially like the part where Boromir says "Why do you recoil? I am no thief!" And then he tries to take the Ring by force because it should have been his. He was trying to justify taking the Ring, because it was against his nature to outright steal it. It is that way with so many things that are probably wrong for us...

Like bootleg videos...[cringe] ;-)

Yeah, just like that. ;^)

That is one reason that I am glad that I am limited by having a dial-up account. I know that I would have the 1.4GB version downloaded without giving it a second thought. ;^)

-Kevin

3,330 posted on 04/25/2002 7:34:49 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
"Why is Galadriel wearing a red wig and robbing a bank?"

I knew those Lothlorien Elves were up to no good!

3,331 posted on 04/25/2002 7:34:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
Celeborn bashing is pointless. What can you even bash him over? Now, Denethor-whacking is fun... but so is Boromir bashing.

< bash mode on> How could those unfeeling lunkheads treat Faramir like that? Stupid power-hungry half-blooded-Numenorean-degenerates! Try to take the Ring, will you? At least Boromir died well, can't say that for Denethor. Especially with trying to take Faramir with him...< /end bash>

3,332 posted on 04/25/2002 7:39:11 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
What can you even bash him over?

I bet Celeborn doesn't wear the pants in his own forest.

3,333 posted on 04/25/2002 7:41:36 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom;ksen
Ah! - Right on schedule come the Boromir apologists to the rescue again! [sigh]
3,334 posted on 04/25/2002 7:42:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I'm not sure he wears pants at all... wasn't he in a robe-thing? Elves are big on flowing robes, but that's ok, it makes them look regal. Not at all like men in skirts.
3,335 posted on 04/25/2002 7:43:09 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
[sigh] To "wear the pants" in one's own home (forest) means to be the master or head of the household (or foresthold...whatever)
3,336 posted on 04/25/2002 7:45:01 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Ah! - Right on schedule come the Boromir apologists to the rescue again! [sigh]

Whoops! Weren't you going to Seattle? Note: Only defend Boromir AFTER HairOfTheDog says she is headed out the door.

BTW, drive safe. ;^)

-Kevin

3,337 posted on 04/25/2002 7:45:06 AM PDT by ksen
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To: JenB
Robes seem a little impractical for tree-dwellers though.
3,338 posted on 04/25/2002 7:45:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I was going to say something about peeking up Celeborn's robes but I don't think I will. :)
3,339 posted on 04/25/2002 7:47:49 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
Yes, I am late in leaving... Having a hard time getting moving. See you all later!
3,340 posted on 04/25/2002 7:48:14 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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