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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: g'nad
That Enduring Freedom video was outstanding, and I'll repeat what I said on the other thread; shame on you! You made me cry seeing the homecomings, especially that young sailor holding his little baby for the first time!!

It is a very motivating video, g'nad, and makes us all proud of you and your fellow Marines,and all sailors, airmen and soldiers in the U. S. Military!!

32,881 posted on 10/10/2002 7:36:18 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm going on to bed. I'm exhausted. I'm helping organize a homeschool hayride and pumpkin patch party and I bought $100 worth of hotdog items today. We're going to have a huge bonfire and wienie roast and also marshmallows. We're having it at an apple orchard and we're having caramel apples too! Mmmm!

Then, each child gets taken to the pumpkin patch on the hay wagon, and then they get to pick their own pumpkin! We're expecting about 100 people.

I have been on the run since about 1pm this afternoon and I'm exhausted. (I had a budget of $121...so I did pretty good, huh?)
32,882 posted on 10/10/2002 7:38:57 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
OK, though I think I'll go back to a worcestershire based marinade next time, if I do a marinade.

I've got a great marinade recipe I use on steaks and chicken. It's called Sutherin's Basting Sauce. As soon as I scare up the recipe, I'll freep mail it to you.

32,883 posted on 10/10/2002 7:40:11 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: JenB
an object-oriented wizard

Hmm, now that sounds interesting... Gandalf++?

32,884 posted on 10/10/2002 7:45:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: 2Jedismom
I am exhausted too from all the social stimulation I had today, with the fundraiser, the old coworkers, my old boss that I just don't miss! Then pints and two bowls of French Onion Soup in one of my old haunts up there with a friend catching up is exhausting!

[yawn] sorry about the french onion soup breath!
32,885 posted on 10/10/2002 7:47:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Gandalf--, maybe; he's not very good.
32,886 posted on 10/10/2002 7:48:43 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Corin Stormhands
I don't know, Corin, I'm very busy these days with painting and drawing, it's about all I can handle to work on those things enough.
32,887 posted on 10/10/2002 8:02:44 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
I can't do it either... I have other things that I should be busy with first. Whether I am actually getting around to them or not, I should at least leave myself the time!

Hullo! - Good evening!
32,888 posted on 10/10/2002 8:09:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Hullo Jen! - How did the test go?.... If you know.
32,889 posted on 10/10/2002 8:10:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
All caught up? Only ~630 messages today, not the busiest day in the Hobbit Hole!
32,890 posted on 10/10/2002 8:12:45 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Eh, ok I think. Won't know for a week.

I'm going to bed. Someone else can have the Precious tonight.

32,891 posted on 10/10/2002 8:13:14 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
You have to have the "murdered" man's beautiful, political, yet clueless - guess she'd better be a liberal - girlfriend join up with the "murderer" to uncover the "truth". Right?

I'm trying to figure that part out...

32,892 posted on 10/10/2002 8:14:38 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: SuziQ
You obviously haven't been around a group of girls knocking back and having a good time!!

That might depend on how you define "good time." ;-)

32,893 posted on 10/10/2002 8:15:19 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
So we can all turn in.
32,894 posted on 10/10/2002 8:15:50 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: HairOfTheDog
but isn't Viggo Danish?

I dunno. I just saw his name on the list...

32,895 posted on 10/10/2002 8:16:10 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: DonnerT
Grab.
32,896 posted on 10/10/2002 8:16:56 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
Grab.
32,897 posted on 10/10/2002 8:16:58 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
Grab.
32,898 posted on 10/10/2002 8:17:01 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
Grab.
32,899 posted on 10/10/2002 8:17:03 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Vets_Husband_and_Wife; ItsOurTimeNow; Wordsmith
Yes... lots of posts today... of course, about half of those were cheap sneak posts!

But I got all caught up! - Seemed like a good day in the Hobbit Hole indeed. Much good cheer was had, and new friendly folk are feeling at home here, which is good!
32,900 posted on 10/10/2002 8:17:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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