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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
I'd get bored pretty quick without a personality to contend with. :)

Thanks all for sharing the "Figwit" thing. It makes me think that I'm not so crazy after all!

3,241 posted on 04/24/2002 1:56:52 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Simple. Inquiring minds want to know. I briefly checked out the site to see who the heck was Figwit. The site isn't worth taking the time to read though.
3,242 posted on 04/24/2002 2:02:47 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75;ksen;g'nad; Corin Stormhands;carton253;HairOfTheDog;JenB;Penny1;ecurbh;2Jedismom;All
Here's a fun Middle Earth site you might want to check out: Middle-earth Name Generator. I came out as "Talkative Istari". My screenname came out "Irritating Sniffer". I think my parents had better luck picking names! LOL
3,243 posted on 04/24/2002 2:28:49 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
OK - I'll bite: these are for my real name:

According to the Red Book of Westmarch, In Middle-earth, I was a - Valiant Elf

Elven Name Possibilities (root name) Vinyavása

Hobbit lass name - Camellia Roper from Frogmorton

Dwarven Name - Bofur Skyslayer

Orkish Name - Ashkûr the Obtuse

Love my orkish name btw... Obtuse is one of my favorite words.

3,244 posted on 04/24/2002 2:38:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I came out as Handsome Teleri. Hansome? Does that still apply to females? Using just my first and last name I became Groveling Longbeard. Didn't particularily appreciate that one either.

My elven name was Astaldorhosiel, or Gorothdringiel with only my first and last names. Now if only I can pronounce them. My hobbit name was Hilda Baker from Newbury, or Pearl Brandybuck from Girdley Island if I only used my first and last name. Hey if I go with the last hobbit name I am related to Merry!

Thanks for posting that. It was interesting.

3,245 posted on 04/24/2002 2:42:27 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: Overtaxed
Cool! But I don't like the results much for any form of my name I use.... The Elven forms might have some promise: Quelledagniriel or Firthôlien.
3,246 posted on 04/24/2002 2:42:32 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
At least your second elven name is easier to pronounce than either of mine. LOL
3,247 posted on 04/24/2002 2:44:13 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: JenB
Ok, this is better - by including my middle initial I magically improved my results!

In Middle-earth, you were a Valiant Elf. Much better... and the other forms aren't bad. Iarvása, for the Elf form, Bell Roper from LongCleeve if I were a Hobbit, Bombur Stealthslayer - ahh! I'm Bombur!!?? the sleepy, overweight Bombur? No way! - and I'm just not including the Orc name.

3,248 posted on 04/24/2002 2:46:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB;htur_75;HairOfTheDog
My other names are:

Elvish: Imregiel

Hobbit: Primula Bunce from Haysend (I don't know about those flower names.)

Dwarf: Dain Lightningteeth

Orc: Bâzzag the Wicked (well they might have gotten that right. I can be very bad when I put my mind to it.)

Now. How do I rig this to be a Took?

3,249 posted on 04/24/2002 2:47:12 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
According to the Red Book of Westmarch, In Middle-earth, I am a Dancing Fallohide.

Elven Name Possibilities:
The root name suitable for feminine and masculine is: Saurisil
More feminine versions are: Saurisiliel, Saurisilien, Saurisilwen,

Hobbit lass name: Primrose Cotton from Frogmorton

Dwarven Name: Glóin Stormlegs This name is for both genders.

Orkish Name: Bâshgob the Cruel This name is for both genders.

3,250 posted on 04/24/2002 2:48:22 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
They have a Tengwar generator at that site... very cool! Now I can write papers in Feanorian Script!
3,251 posted on 04/24/2002 2:50:25 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
I'm not too sure I like the Stormlegs name...
3,252 posted on 04/24/2002 2:51:14 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
According to the Red Book of Westmarch, I am:
Friendly Beorning

Elven Name Possibilities:
Pennpaur or Pennpaurion

Hobbit lad name:
Bowman from The Far Downs

Dwarven Name:
Náin Lorefist

Orkish Name:
Búbluk the Pillager

3,253 posted on 04/24/2002 2:51:46 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: JenB
"Sorry, the Tengwar Scriptor will not transcribe with any other font. Mac font is not supported.

Argh!! Remind me of this site when we get the new 'puter, would ya???!!! We'll have to soon, Matthew starts third grade on May 1st and I've already bought his curriculum that will only run on a PC!

3,254 posted on 04/24/2002 2:57:07 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: g'nad;2Jedismom;JenB;HairOfTheDog
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!

Using first initial, middle name, last name I come out Adamanta Took from Binbale Wood. Finally! A website that satisfies my inner Took!

3,255 posted on 04/24/2002 2:58:18 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hmm... and you're not just a Took, you're an exceptionally stubborn Took, if the first name is any indication. (Adamant being diamond, which is hard and not very good at changing its mind.)
3,256 posted on 04/24/2002 3:01:37 PM PDT by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
I found out from the TORN message boards, where Figwit was the primary topic of conversation for a several-week stretch.
3,257 posted on 04/24/2002 3:04:41 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: JenB
you're not just a Took, you're an exceptionally stubborn Took

As in "hardheaded"? :) I still like it better than being a primrose.

3,258 posted on 04/24/2002 3:08:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2JedisMom
OK - I was browsing around and found this link at TORN to LoTR Halloween costumes...

I think this is a must-have for your hobbit kiddies!

And for the grownups: (thumbnails, go to the site to see big pics)


3,259 posted on 04/24/2002 3:11:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
According to the Red Book of Westmarch: Overgrown Bounder

Elvish name (masculine): Eglahrivëion

Hobbit name: Joly Maggot from Buckland

Dwarven name: Fundin Diamondtears

Orkish name: Gutwakh the Squeaker

3,260 posted on 04/24/2002 3:12:32 PM PDT by ecurbh
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