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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: htur_75
I just took the test again. Can I really be Aragorn? I come up Aragorn more often than not but I really want to be Pippin. If anyone comes up Pippin, please tell me which buttons to push!
2,721 posted on 04/17/2002 12:59:13 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: htur_75
I just took the test again. Can I really be Aragorn? I come up Aragorn more often than not but I really want to be Pippin. If anyone comes up Pippin, please tell me which buttons to push!
2,722 posted on 04/17/2002 12:59:13 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Great! It's doing that thing again.
2,723 posted on 04/17/2002 12:59:43 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I need to take it again... I am not happy being Boromir.

If you're the PJ version of Boromir, I'll trade ya. You can be Beregond and I'll be Boromir(the movie version). ;^)

-Kevin

2,724 posted on 04/17/2002 12:59:58 PM PDT by ksen
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To: JenB
I think you know who you don't want to be. It's your Jihari window... ;~D hehehe
2,725 posted on 04/17/2002 1:01:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: htur_75
Okay, that kind of wierds me out. (cue spooky music)
2,726 posted on 04/17/2002 1:02:27 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: JenB;HairOfTheDog
I may not know who I am, but I sure as heck know who I'm not!

Denethor and Boromir, hmmm! Are you sure you two are not actually Sauron and Saruman? Looks like we are being spied on! L. C. Sulla knows what to do with spies! (Ever see Spartacus?)

2,727 posted on 04/17/2002 1:02:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
Um, I don't understand... jihari? Am I dense today?
2,728 posted on 04/17/2002 1:02:51 PM PDT by JenB
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To: ksen
I don't want to be either version of Boromir! But Beregond is pretty obscure... no deal!
2,729 posted on 04/17/2002 1:03:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Strange things happen to strange people I guess. :-)
2,730 posted on 04/17/2002 1:04:37 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Spies? Cool, never thought I'd warrant spies. What are you supposed to do with spies, lock 'em in a dungeon and leave them alone until they escape? I don't remember any spies in Spartacus, just slaves and Romans and stuff.
2,731 posted on 04/17/2002 1:05:15 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Spies would be low-born. They would be given the same treatment as the rebel slaves.
2,732 posted on 04/17/2002 1:06:30 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: JenB
I just went back and took it again. I was still "Dwarves", so I intentionally changed some that were pretty close. I came up "Gimli". At least I have a name of a character now, but not what I would call a great improvement.
2,733 posted on 04/17/2002 1:07:32 PM PDT by doubled
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To: doubled
I was still "Dwarves", so I intentionally changed some that were pretty close. I came up "Gimli".

You should be careful when talkin' about us Dwarves...

2,734 posted on 04/17/2002 1:08:58 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ecurbh
I took it again, but got Frodo again. Guess I'd have to purposely cheat to get other characters.

Does mean I get to hang out with my good-hearted and ever-faithful Sam, so I guess it's not all bad...but who really wants to be a ring-bearer?

2,735 posted on 04/17/2002 1:10:36 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
ou should be careful when talkin' about us Dwarves...

Hey, I am one of us Dwarves. Of course, I will stand out at the weekly dances, being over 6 ft tall.

2,736 posted on 04/17/2002 1:14:56 PM PDT by doubled
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To: doubled
After another four tries, I finally got something I can live with - Aragorn! (They spelled 'Strider' wrong but at least I'm not a dwarf anymore).

I also cycled through 'Frodo', 'Boromir' and 'Gimli'. Definitely something odd about this test. Maybe we should develop our own.... we could base it on height or something!

2,737 posted on 04/17/2002 1:17:21 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Johari Window - my favorite part of my Psychology class in college.

I don't like the pictures or explainations I found in a quick search, but that picture will do... Along with this quickie explanation.

I - Top left, things you know about yourself, that others also know about you.

II - Top right, things you don't know about yourself but others know about you. This pane is your blind spot (this is what I meant when I said it was your johari window)

III - Bottom left, things you know about yourself, but others don't know about you.

IV - Bottom right, things no one knows about you, including yourself.

2,738 posted on 04/17/2002 1:18:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Tell me what you answered to get Frodo... I will be that person! ;~D
2,739 posted on 04/17/2002 1:20:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thanks for the explanation... it's an interesting idea. I'll have to see how that fits in with my theories of human behavior and stuff.

I honestly don't remember what I answered for Frodo... listed a couple of "compassionate" things pretty high, I think. Sorry!

2,740 posted on 04/17/2002 1:24:31 PM PDT by JenB
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