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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: RosieCotton
Welcome back Rosie!
2,701 posted on 04/17/2002 9:27:03 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: 2Jedismom
Look at the map links at any of the chapter posts in the Green Dragon... from Annals of Arda. They are pretty. I found another good one too, but the link is at home... (hair is at the office now)
2,702 posted on 04/17/2002 9:34:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
We've MISSED you!!!! It's great to see you post here again, thanks for popping in to say "hi!"
2,703 posted on 04/17/2002 9:50:50 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: RosieCotton
Welcome back, Rosie, bear in mind that the original thread got to over 4000 posts, then we started this new one because of the new format, so you are muuch further behind than you think! LOL!

Hope you got to see The Two Towers preview.

2,704 posted on 04/17/2002 10:01:40 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: RosieCotton
Hullo again, Rosie! Pop in when you get the chance, tea is at four but the door is always open to you!
2,705 posted on 04/17/2002 10:04:07 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Hope you got to see The Two Towers preview.

No, I didn't! The movie is LONG gone (since mid January) from the local theaters, and though I tried to download the zipped one that was on-line, my computer only got about 5MB before it lost the connection. I tried again, but it appears they took it down. Anyone have any tips for other download sites? (Preferably a zip file!)

2,706 posted on 04/17/2002 10:05:19 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton;ecurbh;all
Ecurbh has it at his site... But I am at work and don't have the address :~( perhaps someone else could give it to you if ecurbh is not around.

It isn't a zip file, but just FYI, video files do not compress in size when you zip them, so there is no benefit. Sometimes the zip file is actually slightly larger than the original, so just bear with the download, and hope for smooth connections!

2,707 posted on 04/17/2002 10:12:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; ecurbh; 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog
A friend sent me this link for LOTR on DVD--lowest price I've seen so far! Click here.
2,708 posted on 04/17/2002 10:15:53 AM PDT by jrherreid
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To: RosieCotton;ksen
The Two Towers preview is available on my LotR video page. It is a bootleg that flickers a bit, but its the best we have for now.
2,709 posted on 04/17/2002 10:21:16 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh;HairOfTheDog;JenB;penny1;SuziQ;All
I took that personality test and here was my result:

Beregond, Guard of the Citidel

Beregond, loyal to the protection of Minas Tirith, supervises the gates of the city.

You are eager to enforce rules and regulations and are probably good with logistics. You tend to worry about society falling apart. Social interaction energizes you. The more people the merrier. You have good observational skills. In your desire for clarity in life, you may have the tendency of being remote or even "heartless". You try to schedule your life as much as possible. You tend to finish your work before resting.

As Sam says:"I have something to do before the end. I must see it through, sir, if you understand."

Traits: Dependable, beneficient, usually living in the past. On the dark side you could be a hoarder.

That was pretty fun. I took it twice because I know I am not a hoarder, but I came out with the same result.

On the bright side, at least I didn't come out as an Orc or Sauron. ;^)

-Kevin

2,710 posted on 04/17/2002 11:06:37 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen;all
I took the test, too. I didn't get Rosie...I came out with Frodo, of all people! At least I got a hobbit, though. ;-) I'm happy with that!

Does anyone know what the options were? I doubt they had much more than just the main characters. Beregond isn't all THAT big of a part, though, so I may be wrong.

2,711 posted on 04/17/2002 12:05:26 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Well, they did do a lump of "Dwarf", as opposed to singling out an individual character. Grumble, grumble, I guess you know what I got.
2,712 posted on 04/17/2002 12:13:39 PM PDT by doubled
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To: RosieCotton;HairOfTheDog;htur_75
The first time I took the test, I was Galadriel. I just took it again, and this time was the Gaffer (Rosie's father in law!). I didn't even knowingly change any answers, just different insight on a different day. Interesting.
2,713 posted on 04/17/2002 12:35:43 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
I need to take it again... I am not happy being Boromir.
2,714 posted on 04/17/2002 12:43:01 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton;HairOfTheDog
Since I came out as Faramir, Captain of Gondor, I decided to quit while I was (way) ahead. If you haven't read that part of the thread, you'll never guess who turned out to be my 'brother', Boromir! LOL!
2,715 posted on 04/17/2002 12:45:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: HairOfTheDog
I need to take it again...

Would ya look at this, I'm: Gimli, Son of Gloin

Guess I did okay with the screen name.

2,716 posted on 04/17/2002 12:46:52 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: doubled
I got 'Dwarves' too,(twice) and I took it three times, using different answers every time. The third time came up "Denethor", so I decided to stop before it turned out I'm really Morgoth. I never test right on these personality test things. Give me an IQ test any day...
2,717 posted on 04/17/2002 12:51:57 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Maybe you just don't know who you are.
2,718 posted on 04/17/2002 12:53:53 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
We must be related. LOL Guess what? I was Galadriel the first time I took it. I just took it again and now ........... I am the Gaffer. I took it not expecting anything different. Something strange is going on here. hmmmmm
2,719 posted on 04/17/2002 12:54:28 PM PDT by htur_75
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To: HairOfTheDog
I may not know who I am, but I sure as heck know who I'm not!
2,720 posted on 04/17/2002 12:55:18 PM PDT by JenB
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