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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Just finished watching Miss Congeniality here, it was a surprisingly good movie, IMHO.
25,381 posted on 09/12/2002 7:51:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
We haven't seen it, but we enjoyed Sandra Bullock in While You Were Sleeping.
25,382 posted on 09/12/2002 7:54:48 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands
Hey, you guys, I'm in trouble on another thread. Is there any time that who and whom can be interchangeable?
25,383 posted on 09/12/2002 7:57:51 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
I'm not an english teacher...but I play one on TV

I don't think so.

25,384 posted on 09/12/2002 8:00:17 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Sam Cree
According to the style guide in Bookshelf 2000, the strict answer is no, but some grammarians say it's ok to do it in everyday speech and informal usage.
25,385 posted on 09/12/2002 8:07:37 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree; Bear_in_RoseBear
My wife the English teacher says they are not interchangeable in standard grammar, but they are in common language.
25,386 posted on 09/12/2002 8:11:16 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Gimli and Legolas did go to the Glimmering Caves at Helm's Deep, and to Mirkwood as well.

Not Mirkwood,, Fanghorn.

25,387 posted on 09/12/2002 8:12:49 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: Corin Stormhands
HOKIES WIN! 47-21! Woo Hoo!!!!
25,388 posted on 09/12/2002 8:18:59 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: DonnerT
Not Mirkwood,, Fanghorn.

D'Oh! You're right. I should know better than to post strictly from memory... but when I'm posting at work I don't have a choice (sigh).

25,389 posted on 09/12/2002 8:23:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; Scott from the Left Coast; Sam Cree; DonnerT
Looks like it's just us guys in here tonite. Would love to hang out and spill beer on the carpet and stuff. But I'm going to bed.

I just balanced the checkbook and figured out the bills for this week. Once I've paid everything I have cash left in the account.

I've obviously made a mistake and I'm going to bed to sleep on it...

See you guys tomorrow.

Keep it secret. Keep it safe.

25,390 posted on 09/12/2002 8:26:07 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Have a good night! Watching Unbreakable now... had forgotten how much I liked it!
25,391 posted on 09/12/2002 8:30:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
hehehehehe - Good night Corin!
25,392 posted on 09/12/2002 8:33:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"but I play one on TV"

You do?

25,393 posted on 09/12/2002 9:00:04 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Not really

it just sounded good.

25,394 posted on 09/12/2002 9:20:01 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: All
Good night, All
25,395 posted on 09/12/2002 9:21:56 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: All
Good night from here too... watching Predator now, and heading off to bed.
25,396 posted on 09/12/2002 9:30:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Just finished watching Miss Congeniality here, it was a surprisingly good movie, IMHO.

I thought that movie was hilarious! Michael Caine was great trying to whip Sandra Bullock into shape for the contest. My favorite scene is when (in slow motion) she comes sauntering out of the airplane hanger looking drop dead gorgeous and FALLS DOWN because of the high heels. I thought I choke I was laughing so hard! I'll have to rent that DVD again!

25,397 posted on 09/12/2002 11:55:44 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Sam Cree
Is there any time that who and whom can be interchangeable?

I don't think so. Who is in the objective case; whom would be part of a prepositional phrase. Think object of the verb, (WHO is giving something) or object of the preposition, (TO WHOM will it be given) If you can use a preposition in the sentence, even implied, it would be 'whom'.

Any grammarians out there want to take a shot at this?

25,398 posted on 09/13/2002 12:00:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I can't believe I'm here all by myself.
25,399 posted on 09/13/2002 12:02:17 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Does that mean I can take this?
25,400 posted on 09/13/2002 12:02:49 AM PDT by SuziQ
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