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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
everything else is kid stuff.

Literally kid stuff... the only other "adult" prentation nominated was the "Buffy" episode. Kind of a paltry year...

22,841 posted on 09/01/2002 6:43:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thanks for the very good picture, Bear, though she was wearing, perhaps, too many clothes?
22,842 posted on 09/01/2002 6:43:26 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Just about everything you need, you can make yourself. I have made bows out of Osage orange, Hackberry, Hickory, Oak and Pecan. They are all self-bows, made of one piece of wood. Like the english longbow style and the american flat bow style. No recurves at this time.

Made arrows from rivercane, ash, dogwood, hickory. Fletching from wild turkey or Canada goose feathers, glued on with hide glue or duco cement, sinew wrapped for durability, with self nocks.

Arm guard and tabs from leather (from Tandy's) had to buy the arrow heads, steel or brass field points. Also made the quivers from Tandy leathers, now get leather at various shoots.

All the components can be purchased for assembly or gathered the old fashioned way or bartered.

A pair of good websites is www.stickbow.com & primitivearcher.com Hope this helped.

22,843 posted on 09/01/2002 6:45:28 PM PDT by osagebowman
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To: JenB
Oh, and Gardner Dozier, who edits Analog - or Asimov's, I forget which...

I remember Dozier, who must be editing Asimov, where I first read him, since Stanley Schmidt has returned to editing Analog.

22,844 posted on 09/01/2002 6:48:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: osagebowman
Thanks, I'm checking out those websites. Life is great, isn't it?
22,845 posted on 09/01/2002 6:50:38 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Corin Stormhands
"Speaking of the men's club...HOKIES WIN! 26-8. "

That's good...that is if they weren't playing UVA or Miami I mean.

22,846 posted on 09/01/2002 6:54:39 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
You're welcome, Sam! If that picture wasn't completely to your liking, here's the site I got it from. Oh, and if you really wanted to, you could see Ben Affleck eating animal crackers off of Arwen's bare stomach in the movie Armageddon (that can't be very hygienic...)
22,847 posted on 09/01/2002 6:58:27 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yes, you must be right. Most of the authors I like either didn't write anything this year, or aren't really Hugo-quality material. I am surprised that Tad Williams wasn't up; I thought "Otherland" was eligible this year.
22,848 posted on 09/01/2002 7:02:33 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oh, and if you really wanted to, you could see Ben Affleck eating animal crackers off of Arwen's bare stomach in the movie Armageddon (that can't be very hygienic..)

This goes a long way towards explaining why a lot of people didn't think that she could pull of the dignified and fairly complex role of Arwen.

22,849 posted on 09/01/2002 7:16:41 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Sam Cree
That's good...that is if they weren't playing UVA or Miami I mean.

No, they played a real team today...

22,850 posted on 09/01/2002 7:33:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; ksen; Sam Cree
No, they played a real team today...

Go Hokies! (But don't knock UF, FSU, or Miami. Football, the official Florida sport)

22,851 posted on 09/01/2002 7:37:25 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Corin Stormhands; JenB; Bear_in_RoseBear; osagebowman; HairOfTheDog; ...
Good night all, will check in tomorrow.
22,852 posted on 09/01/2002 7:41:38 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Good night Sam! Sleep well!
22,853 posted on 09/01/2002 7:44:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: All
You know, I really like being able to stay up late and not worry about being tired for work tomorrow.
22,854 posted on 09/01/2002 8:21:26 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: osagebowman; Sam Cree
Instinctive archery. yessss.

I have a real appreciation for instictive shooting, archery and firearm...before I ever touched a gun, I was a damn good instictive archer...(cheap composite and wood recurves, sorry)...when I first picked up a firearm, it came very naturally...IMO, most people fall in love with fancy sights and gadgets...when I shoot a handgun, I don't aim, I point, the pistol an extension of my arm...I hit...In a gunfight, if you have to sight in, your wrong...I'm alive because of instictive shooting...

I've sold out, and use compounds now... when I get the time after I retire, I think I'll go back to recurves and longbows...

22,855 posted on 09/01/2002 8:30:10 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
We can always remedy the height differential.

Good one OT...(sniff) I'm touched that you remember my teachings, grasshopper...

22,856 posted on 09/01/2002 8:39:54 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Good to see you Bear...Got some good scoutin' doe, the beer bottled, drinkin' some whiskey, and Mrs. g'nad is in the shower...hee hee hee...
22,857 posted on 09/01/2002 8:42:12 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
I am a natural, I think, with handguns. I consistently shoot tight accurate groups and kindof always have.

That is why I was so flummoxed when I got my shotgun and could not hit a clay pigeon to save my life. I had to work really hard at it, every week, for months, and at the end I was still only 15 for 20 on a good day.

Hunting alone most of the time, I actually began to think my dogs would never understand the goal. I thought they would forever think the whole purpose for being there was to watch the pretty birds fly away! Luckily, with my dad coming along a few times and helping with the shooting, we were able to down a few.

I think my shotgun fits, and I understand fit is everything in shotgunning... I have had folk look at my gun "on me".... but it just didn't come easy the way pistol shooting did.
22,858 posted on 09/01/2002 8:44:05 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Good evening!

Got some good scoutin' doe, the beer bottled, drinkin' some whiskey, and Mrs. g'nad is in the shower

So, life is good then? :)

22,859 posted on 09/01/2002 8:49:45 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
I'm home. We stayed an hour and a half. I could have stayed hours longer, but I'm grateful Steve took me at all and when he said he was ready to go, I didn't kick up a fuss. Besides, no whistle players came.

I reeked so bad of cigarette smoke that I came home and scrubbed from head to toe.

Mighty good music though.
22,860 posted on 09/01/2002 8:53:40 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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