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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: ecurbh
...about those hobbit feet...

Apparently, they also start to smell really, really bad after a while, so that was another reason to shred them, lol...

2,041 posted on 04/08/2002 11:04:49 AM PDT by Penny1
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To: 2Jedismom
Popping in again, glad your reading has gone well. We finished The Two Towers on Saturday night. Pretty tough stuff, for my wife and oldest son (the other two were sound asleep.) We're rooting for Gollum, and then he tips over to the dark side. And I have to admit I got pretty choked up reading Sam's goodbye to the seemingly-dead Frodo. What a valiant, loving hobbit!
2,042 posted on 04/08/2002 11:10:04 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Ah, The Choices of Master Samwise - probably my favorite chapter in the whole work. Such wonderful characterization of Sam, who thinks he is the only one of the fellowship to survive, and it is up to him to complete the task at hand. I can identify so well with his uncertainty over what to do when a tremendously difficult decision is suddenly placed upon you! Sorry, I'm getting verklempt here...
2,043 posted on 04/08/2002 11:23:32 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
'Frodo, Mr. Frodo!' he called. "Don't leave me here alone! It's your Sam calling. Don't go where I can't follow! Wake up Mr. Frodo!'

That is absolutely going to knock me out on film... They may have to carry me out.

2,044 posted on 04/08/2002 11:46:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Then at last he began to weep; and going to Frodo he composed his body, and folded his cold hands upon his breast, and wrapped his cloak about him; and he laid his own sword at one side, and the staff that Faramir had given at the other.

"If I'm to go on," he said, "then I must take your sword, by your leave, Mr. Frodo, but I'll put this one to lie by you, as it lay by the old king in the barrow; and you've got your beautiful mithril coat from old Mr. Bilbo. And your star-glass, Mr. Frodo, you did lend it to me and I'll need it, for I'll be always in the dark now. It's too good for me, and the Lady gave it to you, but maybe she'd understand. Do you understand, Mr. Frodo? I've got to go on."

My oh my. I have to go get a kleenex now.
2,045 posted on 04/08/2002 12:00:59 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: HairOfTheDog
LOL...........I wondered what was going on there, when I saw that thread building and building every day it seemed!

I liked Lord of the Rings, and I liked the animated movies made before the latest LOTR, however, I wouldn't say I have a "Hobbit Habbit" as many of you on this thread seem to (after reading some of the posts.hehe).....BUT I have nothing against it or this newfound thread for Hobbit fans. I wouldn't mind seeing a Star Trek thread start up.......hell maybe I'll do it myself. hehe

Anyway, just wanted to drop in and say that and have fun!

2,046 posted on 04/08/2002 12:04:20 PM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: FourtySeven
Welcome. Feel free to stop by for a pint anytime!
2,047 posted on 04/08/2002 12:11:44 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: FourtySeven
Welcome! Many of us HATE the animated movies that came before Peter Jackson's FoTR... But we welcome all friendly folk here, even those who defend defenseless ideas, eh Overtaxed?... hehehehe

You may find many closet Trekkies if you were to do a thread... who knows?... some of them are even more fanatical than us hobbitses.

2,048 posted on 04/08/2002 12:35:05 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh; Hairofthedog; 2Jedismom
How I will ever get through that last movie is beyond me... I will be an absolute puddle of tears before we even get into the second hour.
2,049 posted on 04/08/2002 12:36:02 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; 2jedismom; jenb; overtaxed; carton253
Okay, everyone, it's WAY too quiet here today....

Should I bring up Boromir again? Or perhaps it's time to take a couple of pot-shots at those snooty Lorien elves again.

BTW, I've noticed people mentioning on other message boards that they see Haldir in one of the scenes from the preview. Has anyone spotted him?

I have gotten ahold of an avi file of the preview that purports to clean up the flickering improve the quality of the other one that's floating around the net. I'll let you guys know if it's worth having.

I sure hope they post it on the OS when the movie is gone, it would be so nice to have a high-res, high quality Quicktime version.

2,050 posted on 04/08/2002 1:00:18 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog
Many of us HATE the animated movies that came before Peter Jackson's FoTR... But we welcome all friendly folk here, even those who defend defenseless ideas, eh Overtaxed?... hehehehe

Aaarrrggghh! Not the animated movie! Although the "where there's a whip" song is catchy.

2,051 posted on 04/08/2002 1:11:51 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Penny1
I've actually been busy working alll day. :) Talk to you later...time to Freep the legislators.
2,052 posted on 04/08/2002 1:13:41 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
OT, I'm going to kill you for reminding me of that. Thanks. Now that'll be in my head all through math class tonight. I should do something really cruel in return, like introduce you to something else that will addict you and take away your free time.
2,053 posted on 04/08/2002 1:14:44 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Overtaxed;HairOfTheDog;2JedisMom;JenB
Speaking of the Bakshi version, check out this critique.
2,054 posted on 04/08/2002 1:15:45 PM PDT by ecurbh
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To: JenB
Aren't your boys really too little for Watership Down?

Oh yes, way too young. I like it though and found it in a box yesterday. Was thinking of re-reading it...but I just can't leave Frodo all alone dealing with that Ring!

2,055 posted on 04/08/2002 1:27:52 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ecurbh
I must say that the only time I saw that old animated film, I was quite intoxicated and after briefly realizing that the movie was playing and was trash, I proceeded to become even more intoxicated and I don't recall anything about the movie, nor the rest of the evening for that matter. And that's how I like it.

Disclaimer: This was many many years ago. I don't drink anything stronger than expresso now.

2,056 posted on 04/08/2002 1:34:29 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
lol, it's one of those movies that should come with an alcohol level warning--a MINIMUM blood-alcohol level. ;)

...I am SO GRATEFUL that I never saw that awful thing!!!!

2,057 posted on 04/08/2002 1:44:15 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1; JenB; HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; BibChr; Overtaxed; All
Guess what I saw today? I went to a bookstore and just so happened, the .50 Theater was next door. Guess what was up? The LOTR poster! It's not playing now, but I wonder if it's coming??? I gotta call!
2,058 posted on 04/08/2002 1:48:26 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
You're referring to the Bakshi? In lieu of alcohol, you can watch it while sleep-deprived with people who like mocking anything and everything. It's almost kinda cool that way. In a really stupid, what does this have to do with Tolkien, kinda way.
what kinda Nazgul can't even steer a horse?
2,059 posted on 04/08/2002 1:52:58 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
Ooooh, cool! I keep checking our cheap theater every time I drive by to see if LOTR is going to show up there. Right now, it's playing Harry Potter and Blackhawk Down, but maybe in a few weeks.....
2,060 posted on 04/08/2002 1:56:18 PM PDT by Penny1
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