Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
2JM, what you said, exactly. Look at the Bakshi and tell me it was easy to adapt LotR as well as Jackson did. Now find me the rabid ABM book fans who would tear the screenwriters limb from limb if it varied too far from their imagined ideal. Obviously LotR was the harder screenplay to adapt, after all, ABM is set in the real world, and there are no Elves, Dwarves, or Hobbits. Actually that's most of the problem I have with it, right there....
But seriously...I didn't even know who Halle Berry was, just a lady in a Pepsi commercial that unzipped her face and turned into Barry Boskovitch or whatever. Then when I saw her on the Oscars, she just seemed to border on hysterical, in the clip they played of her and then when she got the award. Rather vulgar, if you ask me...
And although we really knew it could happen, we were hoping it wouldn't even though none of us give a ring-tailed toot what the "Academy" thinks. It still smarts.
Not all of it was as real world as you might think. Goodly chunks of it take place pretty much just in his mind. N
LOTR was absolutely the most difficult adaptation--just consider the fact that it took 8 years to develop a workable screenplay, and that is an indication of how challenging the material was to adapt. Then add in the sheer scope of what had to be translated from text to screen, with visuals, other-worldly characters, and the depth and number of characters, and it really is no comparison. It should have been a shoo-in, but it wasn't because it was not part of mainstream Hollywood's idea of who should win a screenplay award.
Hmph! Stupid academy!
I know that's not fair, because I didn't see the film so I couldn't evaluate whether or not she turned in a great overall performance, but why is it that so often it is the screaming that is valued when it's awards time?
I can scream and wail....can I have an Oscar too please?
Hmph!
If I was going to live in a fantasy world, I think it would look a lot more like ME.
But the exchange between Aragorn and Boromir at Lothlorien hints at Aragorn's past defending Gondor. Nothing is said overtly, but he does say he had been there "long ago" and it's obvious in his face that he's remembering those long years spent there. I fully expect that to be referred to more overtly in TTT or at least in RotK.
I guess I'll have to look into why it won't download the full file for anyone else...
Just for future reference, Imladris.net is trying to keep updated info on where people can download the trailer--it's usually listed right on their front page so you could check there for info too.
And you do know more about these books than anyone I know and it is always fun to read your posts because I know I'm about to learn something.
I will agree with you there!
Incidentally did you know that Galadriel and her evil twin, Beruthiel, are the illegitimate children of Feanor and Yavanna? Or how Aule created dragons to fight Balrogs, but the dragons went bad and turn on him?
;-)
However, you're right, it's only a small hint...what is still to come may develop more of that, however. It's a question of whether or not they want to incorporate more of the extra-textual info from the appendices or not, I suppose. I remain very hopeful, though.... ;)
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