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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: ecurbh
oooh thank you thank you!
15,961 posted on 07/31/2002 9:29:45 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Can I contribute then to paying my way? - I'd be happy to, you know.
15,962 posted on 07/31/2002 9:30:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
If you insist, I guess. We'll work something out.
15,963 posted on 07/31/2002 9:59:08 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
Well, I know it ain't free, and if I ever figure out how, I want to upload stuff without worrying about overstaying my welcome... I know it costs money for space, and I appreciate the space. Happy to pay for it! Let me know.
15,964 posted on 07/31/2002 10:03:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; 2Jedismom; ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad
Quiet in here. Hobbits must be napping or taking doctor's hours this afternoon...
15,965 posted on 07/31/2002 11:40:34 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
If you say you haven't posted, and you only have one screen name, that's good enuff for me.

I ventured into the Religious Wars long ago, and despaired at what I saw...My hat is off to you for hanging in there this long...

Your post was simple, to the point, and tasteful (IMHO)...YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF...

Don't sink to their level by hating them...Satan loves to divide the body...he's very good at it...

BTW...Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver...

15,966 posted on 07/31/2002 11:46:09 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
I was kinda thinking some of g'nad's weaponry would be a nice touch.

I was thinking:

15,967 posted on 07/31/2002 11:47:40 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
Quiet in here. Hobbits must be napping or taking doctor's hours this afternoon...

Grumble....grumble...grumble.....blankety blank blank euroidjits!

No, just dealing with work issues today!

15,968 posted on 07/31/2002 11:56:56 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed
I went to shop for a new mattress for my mom and then we went to Aldis so I could buy some more coffee! (We ran out of regular coffee and I had to use the last of the Kona blend this morning.) I ended up getting a ton of graham crackers (I like them for breakfast) and some cereal for the boys, some milk and brownie mix.

I really love Aldis!
15,969 posted on 07/31/2002 12:06:12 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: g'nad
BTW...Ward, I'm worried about the Beaver...

Me too June, me too...

15,970 posted on 07/31/2002 12:10:42 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
No, just dealing with work issues today!

Same here, but the website I need to access this afternoon is crawling...probably because Friday's the deadline.

I did manage to convince my supervisor to allow me to input this information directly to the web site...as long as I do a screen print and also submit it in hard copy...sheesh....

15,971 posted on 07/31/2002 12:12:43 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
Que es "Aldis"?
15,972 posted on 07/31/2002 12:13:21 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I am around... just have very little to report!

My horses have the vet coming in an hour and a half... I am about to go out and give them both a bath so they are ready for inspection. I always feel that all of my skills in good animal husbandry are being examined when they go before the vet!

This is just an annual checkup for both of them, inspired by the West Nile virus scare last week and my call to the vet about vaccinating for it... -And the pony needs her teeth floated (filed down). Bay had it done in January. She will be sedated for the process, which is worse than your dentist appointments! They have a big metal contraption that holds their mouth open, and then they file the teeth down with a tool that looks like a carpenter's file.


15,973 posted on 07/31/2002 12:14:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
I did manage to convince my supervisor to allow me to input this information directly to the web site...as long as I do a screen print and also submit it in hard copy...sheesh....

He's not just a bit paranoid, is he?

15,974 posted on 07/31/2002 12:16:43 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am about to go out and give them both a bath so they are ready for inspection...

Is that like the equestrian version of "clean underwear?"

They have a big metal contraption that holds their mouth open, and then they file the teeth down with a tool that looks like a carpenter's file...

OUCH!!!

15,975 posted on 07/31/2002 12:16:48 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
He's not just a bit paranoid, is he?

He's just old school. He's been around here for 30 plus years...back when carbon copy was "cutting edge technology." A couple of years ago he lost some WordPerfect files when we converted to Word. Of course, I have all of mine 'cause I paid attention...

15,976 posted on 07/31/2002 12:18:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
She gets drugs... She will be so drunk she won't hold it against me, or the vet. Bay will be awake and watching... and he will be happy that it isn't him this time.
15,977 posted on 07/31/2002 12:20:14 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
It is exactly the equestrian version of clean underwear! Better go do it so they are dry by the time he gets here!
15,978 posted on 07/31/2002 12:21:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
A couple of years ago he lost some WordPerfect files when we converted to Word.

Kinda like the guy in the CDNow commercials?

15,979 posted on 07/31/2002 12:22:02 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
Aldis is a discount grocer. Very basic. You pay a quarter to use a basket (but they give you the quarter back when you safely return it to it's designated spot.) Then you get food and some dry goods for really cheap, but you have to buy the bags to put it in (or bring your own, or haul it off in one of their empty boxes). They only take cash. All this comes to being able to get staple items at a good price. .49 for a dozen eggs, 1.99 for milk, .49 bread. A box of graham crackers cost me .99 and corn chips cost .68. They are not nationally known brands, but I have found that most the time they are BETTER than the nationally known brands! (Unlike Dollar General brands that taste terrible and are worthless.)

There is at most 2 people running the store at any given time and it's only open till 7pm. I love their coffee more than any other brand name.
15,980 posted on 07/31/2002 12:26:16 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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